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Old Posted Jan 30, 2024, 6:32 PM
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The only logical way a private operator should be considered is if the entire project delivery is structured around a design-co-finance-build-operate-maintain P3 model (i.e. the Canada Line) with the many lessons learned from that project incorporate into the contract.

To be clear, you don't add a profit-seeking partner to public transit without a really good reason.

Not having experience running a train (a bit rich for a system with 'railway' in its name, incidentally) is not a good enough reason to do a P3.

Not knowing how to build one could be a good reason, but, fortunately, Hamilton isn't building the thing. Metrolinx is. And they've done this before, so no P3 is needed.

A major funding shortfall is a good reason, and the City sure couldn't afford this on its own dime, but the Province is picking up the tab, so no P3 is needed.
I don't really have a lot of confidence in the HSR.

"To be clear, you don't add a profit-seeking partner to public transit without a really good reason."

I don't think that's much of an argument. Public sector productivity is poor. I don't think we want more of it.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2024, 2:52 PM
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Posted this in the Hamilton Roads thread, but it relates to LRT as well:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10138176&postcount=236

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Longwood bridge rebuild put off until 2032 after LRT route change
Reconstruction is now a long way off, but the city is exploring temporary safety improvements for pedestrians this year.


https://www.thespec.com/news/council/lon...1901e16-9824-5243-98ff-379307114b6d.html

Matthew-Van Dongen
The Hamilton Spectator
Wednesday, February 7, 2024


Replacement of the aging Longwood Road bridge will wait at least eight years now that the highway-spanning structure is no longer part of Hamilton’s LRT project.

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Old Posted Feb 8, 2024, 5:49 PM
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There's been a notice in the Spec from Metrolinx over the past few days - "Notice of Application for Approval to Expropriate Land" for the building at the SW corner of Main and Kenilworth, where the Cash Money business resides.
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Preview of the LRT stop design at Mac?



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Preview of the LRT stop design at Mac?
Thanks! I recall there being a plan to put the transit hub close to the LRT terminus, but I don't remember if there were drawings (and it's nice to see other buildings in the plan; makes me wonder what the university will do with the existing bus platform area north of Thode Library, presuming this "bus interchange" will replace it)

Another large parking lot will be gone, though it looks to be replaced in a new structure. Will that be the school's first above-ground parking building on campus? (not counting that 2-level lot for the hospital). It's been a while since I visited.

The Campus Plan shows more, including downtown (which we largely know about) and expansion in Burlington. The full plan is here, though the PDF links aren't working for me.

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FYI here's the PDF McMaster Campus Plan 2023
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FYI here's the PDF McMaster Campus Plan 2023
Much appreciated.

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There's a pic of the station on page 52. Looks pretty nice if that actually happens.
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There's a pic of the station on page 52. Looks pretty nice if that actually happens.

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Good to see that they're planning to move the bus terminal closer to the LRT stop at Main and Cootes. The current location is pretty isolated if you need to connect to it from HSR. Some real dumb planning there.
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Good to see that they're planning to move the bus terminal closer to the LRT stop at Main and Cootes. The current location is pretty isolated if you need to connect to it from HSR. Some real dumb planning there.
I would think there was a lot of inertia related to not wanting to lose that parking lot. And some of the HSR routing has changed; I'm not sure if that happened before or after the terminal near Thode went in.

The current bus "terminal" is a bit more central to the campus buildings and residences, but far from the existing B-Line bus route (remember when they used to enter campus off Sterling, and turn around and stop beside the hospital? that was the routing at least up until the mid-90s).
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Preview of the LRT stop design at Mac?
I'm assuming this is still conceptual. It doesn't look like a final design. There don't seem to be proper platforms for either HSR or GO Transit.
HSR would want sawtooth like Eastgate, Mohawk, and future Lime Ridge, especially since they would be running some articulated buses through here.
GO would want gaps between their platforms for queueing and wheelchair loading (on buses where they don't load W/Cs at the front door), like their stations at Hamilton GO or Union.
I'm disappointed that there isn't a transit-only entrance right at the corner of Main and Cootes. Each bus still has to travel an extra few-hundred metres to get going in the right direction. Why not move that AR1 block further north and let buses enter directly from the intersection? That way transit wouldn't have to enter the campus at all.

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LRT costs holding up project.

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More fodder for the anti-LRT "we need to spend that money on [...]" crowd.

Yet let's not blink an eye about the rising costs of other things, transportation or otherwise.
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Timeline for major construction on Hamilton’s long-delayed LRT remains a mystery
Pipe relocations and building demolitions are expected to continue along the transit corridor through next year.

https://www.thespec.com/news/council/tim...a076c0e-9eb3-565c-9ff4-6da5eeea0d51.html

Metrolinx says work to move underground pipes out of the way of Hamilton’s long-delayed LRT will continue through 2025 — but the timeline for major construction on the “shovel-ready” project remains a mystery.

Metrolinx, the provincial transit agency in charge of the off-again, on-again light-rail transit project, says in a report presented to its board Thursday that there has been “good progress” on preparatory works along the planned 14-kilometre rapid-transit line.
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Timeline for major construction on Hamilton’s long-delayed LRT remains a mystery
Pipe relocations and building demolitions are expected to continue along the transit corridor through next year.

https://www.thespec.com/news/council/tim...a076c0e-9eb3-565c-9ff4-6da5eeea0d51.html

Metrolinx says work to move underground pipes out of the way of Hamilton’s long-delayed LRT will continue through 2025 — but the timeline for major construction on the “shovel-ready” project remains a mystery.

Metrolinx, the provincial transit agency in charge of the off-again, on-again light-rail transit project, says in a report presented to its board Thursday that there has been “good progress” on preparatory works along the planned 14-kilometre rapid-transit line.
Wild how delayed this project already is.
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I guess we should be happy there have been some shovels at work, given that it was "shovel ready"
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Hamilton LRT delays force city to consider road fixes that will only be ‘torn up again’ later
Mayor Andrea Horwath said she will reach out to the province to seek clarity on when LRT procurement will finally start.

https://www.thespec.com/news/council/ham...349cef6-202b-5f12-b4c0-e55a8abce8ec.html

Hamilton’s long-delayed light-rail transit project is starting to cause repair backlogs as the city weighs whether to fix failing road infrastructure along a 14-kilometre corridor meant to be ripped up for LRT construction — someday.

Serious planning for the off-again, on-again LRT has been underway for most of a decade, with government funding first offered in 2015, cancelled in 2019 and resurrected during the pandemic.

But more than three years since the “shovel-ready” project was re-announced with $3.4 billion in construction funding, Ontario and its transit agency, Metrolinx, have been silent on when the two-phase build will go to tender.

The city’s LRT director at one point suggested major work could start in 2024, but later said “procurement delays” had left the timeline unclear.

That timeline mystery is becoming “really problematic” for a city facing increasingly urgent calls to fix roads and infrastructure along the Main-King-Queenston transit corridor, said Mayor Andrea Horwath in an interview.

Horwath, who pledged Friday to formally contact the government in writing with the city’s timeline concerns, raised the spectre of Hamilton being forced to do pricey road repairs only to see that work “torn up again” soon after because of the planned big dig for LRT.

“That drives people batty and it drives me batty too, so we don’t want to see that,” she said. “But that means we need to get some clarity in term of timelines from the government because those (needed road repairs) are getting worse, not better.”

Horwath said she has verbally raised those concerns with provincial ministers, but has only received vague assurances that the project is “going to move forward.”

By email, Metrolinx said Friday it is in “regular communication” with the city on the LRT project and that any update on procurement timing “will be shared as it is confirmed.”

Earlier this month, The Spectator asked Metrolinx for a project schedule update. The agency said “enabling works” like relocating utilities off the corridor would continue next year, but did not specify when formal procurement — like vetting prospective bidders for major construction — is expected to start.

Timeline frustration came up repeatedly at the latest LRT council subcommittee meeting Friday from city politicians, builders and business representatives.

There are many developers trying to plan building projects along the proposed LRT line, said Michelle Diplock of the West End Home Builders’ Association at the meeting. “People are really looking for some certainty about when and how they time their construction,” she said.

Businesses along the corridor are also impatient for LRT details needed to plan for relocation, growth or just weathering what is expected to be years of construction, said chamber of commerce head Greg Dunnett.

“What I hear from small businesses is that they are done waiting,” he said. “Tell me when this is actually going to impact me … (that) is what we hear over and over again.”

The city, meanwhile, is trying to co-ordinate — or delay — construction projects big and small along the presumed rapid transit corridor.

The biggest project in planning is a two-way traffic conversion of Main Street through the core that the city hopes to construct without conflicting with major LRT work on parallel King Street.

But downtown residents and businesses are asking for many different smaller improvements on King Street, including fixing sidewalks, replacing light standards and adding new pedestrian safety improvements, said Ward 2 councillor Cameron Kroetsch.

“What we hear a lot is, well, we’re not going to do all these (repairs) if we’re going to have to tear the road up for LRT,” he said.

That response always spurs the same question from frustrated residents and businesses, Kroetsch said. “When is LRT coming? When is it going to start?”

Lacking an LRT project timeline, Kroetsch argued the city will have to commit to spending millions of dollars on repairs — even knowing the work may be wasted.

“I think nobody wants that to be the case, but we’re at a tension point now because (the project) has been going on for so long.”

Neither Metrolinx nor the province has publicly explained why the project is moving more slowly than originally expected.

But The Spectator obtained provincial documents earlier this year suggesting “priority” transit projects like Hamilton’s have seen inflationary cost spikes of up to 30 per cent.

It’s not clear if the expected project cost still fits within the $3.4-billion construction budget announced in 2021.

Metrolinx also announced a major design change late last year that will axe a planned train-only bridge over Highway 403 in favour of rerouting the transit line down Dundurn Street and across the Main Street car bridge.

An updated route design should go public by the end of the year.
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Hamilton LRT delays force city to consider road fixes that will only be ‘torn up again’ later
Mayor Andrea Horwath said she will reach out to the province to seek clarity on when LRT procurement will finally start.

https://www.thespec.com/news/council/ham...349cef6-202b-5f12-b4c0-e55a8abce8ec.html

Hamilton’s long-delayed light-rail transit project is starting to cause repair backlogs as the city weighs whether to fix failing road infrastructure along a 14-kilometre corridor meant to be ripped up for LRT construction — someday.

Serious planning for the off-again, on-again LRT has been underway for most of a decade, with government funding first offered in 2015, cancelled in 2019 and resurrected during the pandemic.

But more than three years since the “shovel-ready” project was re-announced with $3.4 billion in construction funding, Ontario and its transit agency, Metrolinx, have been silent on when the two-phase build will go to tender.

The city’s LRT director at one point suggested major work could start in 2024, but later said “procurement delays” had left the timeline unclear.

That timeline mystery is becoming “really problematic” for a city facing increasingly urgent calls to fix roads and infrastructure along the Main-King-Queenston transit corridor, said Mayor Andrea Horwath in an interview.

Horwath, who pledged Friday to formally contact the government in writing with the city’s timeline concerns, raised the spectre of Hamilton being forced to do pricey road repairs only to see that work “torn up again” soon after because of the planned big dig for LRT.

“That drives people batty and it drives me batty too, so we don’t want to see that,” she said. “But that means we need to get some clarity in term of timelines from the government because those (needed road repairs) are getting worse, not better.”

Horwath said she has verbally raised those concerns with provincial ministers, but has only received vague assurances that the project is “going to move forward.”

By email, Metrolinx said Friday it is in “regular communication” with the city on the LRT project and that any update on procurement timing “will be shared as it is confirmed.”

Earlier this month, The Spectator asked Metrolinx for a project schedule update. The agency said “enabling works” like relocating utilities off the corridor would continue next year, but did not specify when formal procurement — like vetting prospective bidders for major construction — is expected to start.

Timeline frustration came up repeatedly at the latest LRT council subcommittee meeting Friday from city politicians, builders and business representatives.

There are many developers trying to plan building projects along the proposed LRT line, said Michelle Diplock of the West End Home Builders’ Association at the meeting. “People are really looking for some certainty about when and how they time their construction,” she said.

Businesses along the corridor are also impatient for LRT details needed to plan for relocation, growth or just weathering what is expected to be years of construction, said chamber of commerce head Greg Dunnett.

“What I hear from small businesses is that they are done waiting,” he said. “Tell me when this is actually going to impact me … (that) is what we hear over and over again.”

The city, meanwhile, is trying to co-ordinate — or delay — construction projects big and small along the presumed rapid transit corridor.

The biggest project in planning is a two-way traffic conversion of Main Street through the core that the city hopes to construct without conflicting with major LRT work on parallel King Street.

But downtown residents and businesses are asking for many different smaller improvements on King Street, including fixing sidewalks, replacing light standards and adding new pedestrian safety improvements, said Ward 2 councillor Cameron Kroetsch.

“What we hear a lot is, well, we’re not going to do all these (repairs) if we’re going to have to tear the road up for LRT,” he said.

That response always spurs the same question from frustrated residents and businesses, Kroetsch said. “When is LRT coming? When is it going to start?”

Lacking an LRT project timeline, Kroetsch argued the city will have to commit to spending millions of dollars on repairs — even knowing the work may be wasted.

“I think nobody wants that to be the case, but we’re at a tension point now because (the project) has been going on for so long.”

Neither Metrolinx nor the province has publicly explained why the project is moving more slowly than originally expected.

But The Spectator obtained provincial documents earlier this year suggesting “priority” transit projects like Hamilton’s have seen inflationary cost spikes of up to 30 per cent.

It’s not clear if the expected project cost still fits within the $3.4-billion construction budget announced in 2021.

Metrolinx also announced a major design change late last year that will axe a planned train-only bridge over Highway 403 in favour of rerouting the transit line down Dundurn Street and across the Main Street car bridge.

An updated route design should go public by the end of the year.
For those who are unable to see the forest beyond the trees, the province is waiting for interest rates and inflation to stabilize. Currently, inflation is trending downward. The longer they delay the project, the more cost-effective it will become. This project will eventually start, and if they time it right, they can minimize cost overruns.
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the province is waiting for interest rates and inflation to stabilize
Or they're waiting for a political reason.
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