Federal Government & Politics II

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Guilty of being a sellout. Being called that wouldn’t have bothered somebody with a clean conscience.

And he was agressive. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Pierre respond to anything with puffing out his chest and yelling “I’m right here bro” at another mp.

If Polievre or anyone on the right and had made violent threats they would have absolutley been eviscerated.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Guilty of being a sellout. Being called that wouldn’t have bothered somebody with a clean conscience.

And he was agressive. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Pierre respond to anything with puffing out his chest and yelling “I’m right here bro” at another mp.

Who did Singh sellout to? About what? If I call you a pedophile, you aren't one unless it bothers you? Do I have that right?

If PP doesn't need to be seen as a tough guy why did he have an image makeover recently that tried to make him look that way?

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Who did Singh sellout to? About what? If I call you a pedophile, you aren't one unless it bothers you? Do I have that right?

If PP doesn't need to be seen as a tough guy why did he have an image makeover recently that tried to make him look that way?

The makeover was because the left routinely bullied him making fun of his glasses, calling him a nerd comparing him to mill house from the Simpsons, note how he didn’t violently confront his harassers.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Who did Singh sellout to? About what? If I call you a pedophile, you aren't one unless it bothers you? Do I have that right?

If PP doesn't need to be seen as a tough guy why did he have an image makeover recently that tried to make him look that way?

Seriously… lol… who did he sell out too? Who do you think? Thy guy says he no longer supports the government, then a couple days later is back to supporting the government.

[Build.It]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Seriously… lol… who did he sell out too? Who do you think? Thy guy says he no longer supports the government, then a couple days later is back to supporting the government.

Don't waste your energy pal. WC has a socialist/ESG/DEI worldview that is never going to change, and makes them blind to what's in front of them. Just be thankful that they are a small minority of the nation and that most Canadians are still sane (as we can clearly see from polling data). I put them on ignore so I stop getting triggered into these pointless debates with them.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Regardless of whether it's an act or not, he comes across as very genuine & human. JT used to be like that. (Perhaps he still is and I've just gotten tired of him).

Despite trying to soften his image lately, and look less like Milhouse and working out (he looks to be in the best shape of his life physically), he still rubs me the wrong way.

I don't get how people are fooled by his schtick, besides Seniors and those approaching 65.

It's anti-charisma like the one former staffer said. I don't want a leader that's never had any job outside politics and qualified for a full government pension before age 35. He's a leech on the system and I don't know how many of you look at him differently. He IS the status quo.

This meme is how I feel when I hear his voice, which is grating to my ears

I'm done with Trudeau too. I voted for him once. He's past the expiration date. Replace.

I think we need a fresh start. All leaders of parties replaced. The fact that this is apparently the best we can do shows you how apathetic Canadians have become. They've tuned out and we're left with bottom barrel mediocrity.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Wigs

Despite trying to soften his image lately, and look less like Milhouse and working out (he looks to be in the best shape of his life physically), he still rubs me the wrong way.

I don't get how people are fooled by his schtick, besides Seniors and those approaching 65.

It's anti-charisma like the one former staffer said. I don't want a leader that's never had any job outside politics and qualified for a full government pension before age 35. He's a leech on the system and I don't know how many of you look at him differently. He IS the status quo.

This meme is how I feel when I hear his voice, which is grating to my ears

I'm done with Trudeau too. I voted for him once. He's past the expiration date. Replace.

I think we need a fresh start. All leaders of parties replaced. The fact that this is apparently the best we can do shows you how apathetic Canadians have become. They've tuned out and we're left with bottom barrel mediocrity.

At least we have still got Kamala!

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by Acajack

At least we have still got Kamala!

For USA, better than a mentally declining, Antisemitic 78 year old essentially telling Jewish Americans they will be to blame if he loses, and that Haitians rebuilding rust belt communities "They're eating the cats! They're eating the dogs!"

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hecate

The makeover was because the left routinely bullied him making fun of his glasses, calling him a nerd comparing him to mill house from the Simpsons, note how he didn’t violently confront his harassers.

LOL Bitcoin Milhouse hides from anybody not in agreement with him. He only speaks in places he knows will be friendly to him.

Sorry name calling is too much for him. Perhaps he shouldn't have started doing it.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Seriously… lol… who did he sell out too? Who do you think? Thy guy says he no longer supports the government, then a couple days later is back to supporting the government.

You didn't answer the question. Do you understand how Parliamentary votes work? Apparently not.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Build.It

Don't waste your energy pal. WC has a socialist/ESG/DEI worldview that is never going to change, and makes them blind to what's in front of them. Just be thankful that they are a small minority of the nation and that most Canadians are still sane (as we can clearly see from polling data). I put them on ignore so I stop getting triggered into these pointless debates with them.

Stay in school kids!

[theman23]

PPs "rage farming" has served a purpose. Prior to him running for CPC leadership, no one outside of a few small circles on the internet was talking about federal incompetence in the housing portfolio. The Libs seemed perfectly content to have Ahmed Hussen occupy that portfolio while doing not much of anything. It's now a mainstream narrative and the Liberals have been forced to act. He was also the first federal leader to suggest we needed to tie immigration to housing and infrastructure, having normalized conversations about reducing immigration since at least December of last year. Again, its now a mainstream narrative thats forced the Liberals to act. For all the talk of him not having "any solutions", it seems the LPC have been using him to focus group their options for most of the past two years.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Hecate

Seriously… lol… who did he sell out too? Who do you think? Thy guy says he no longer supports the government, then a couple days later is back to supporting the government.

So you think he was bought off or something? He cancelled their agreement that doesn't mean he needs to vote for an election. Why would he trigger an early election to likely lose seats and leverage? It's a nonsense argument. We don't get elections just because the government drops in the polls. Sometimes they come back. Seems very unlikely in this case but they do get 4 years to figure it out. And other parties aren't required to fall on the sword because the party ahead in the polls says so.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

So you think he was bought off or something? He cancelled their agreement that doesn't mean he needs to vote for an election. Why would he trigger an early election to likely lose seats and leverage? It's a nonsense argument. We don't get elections just because the government drops in the polls. Sometimes they come back. Seems very unlikely in this case but they do get 4 years to figure it out. And other parties aren't required to fall on the sword because the party ahead in the polls says so.

He doesn’t have any leverage. if he did the liberals would have caved to his demands and when they didn’t he’d call an election. But he didn’t. He caved and put it on Pierre.

[Hecate]

I think a lot of people here misconstrue rage with passion. There’s a difference. Pierre is passionate about politics and he plays the game well.

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

You didn't answer the question. Do you understand how Parliamentary votes work? Apparently not.

lol yes I do. Do you understand what putting your money where your mouth is means? Or maybe Talk is cheap.

This government has been a perfect example of this one

the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[casper]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Who did Singh sellout to? About what? If I call you a pedophile, you aren't one unless it bothers you? Do I have that right?

If PP doesn't need to be seen as a tough guy why did he have an image makeover recently that tried to make him look that way?

He never sold out to anyone.

The NDP signed a supply and confidence agreement. The agreement had a series of joint priorities between the NDP and Liberal. An overview can be found at:
https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-re...-canadians-now

The NDP decided to terminate the agreement. That does not mean they agreement to cause the government to fall. If you look at the agreement it is aggressive on climate change.

The Conservatives miss read the room. They assumed the NDP agreed with them and that false assumption was quickly addressed.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Wigs

For USA, better than a mentally declining, Antisemitic 78 year old essentially telling Jewish Americans they will be to blame if he loses, and that Haitians rebuilding rust belt communities "They're eating the cats! They're eating the dogs!"

I was talking about Canadians.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

So you think he was bought off or something? He cancelled their agreement that doesn't mean he needs to vote for an election. Why would he trigger an early election to likely lose seats and leverage? It's a nonsense argument. We don't get elections just because the government drops in the polls. Sometimes they come back. Seems very unlikely in this case but they do get 4 years to figure it out. And other parties aren't required to fall on the sword because the party ahead in the polls says so.

The bigger question would be why did he cancel the agreement if he was planning unconditional support for Trudeau. He didn’t negotiate, he didn’t make any demands, just immediately announced he would vote confidence. So voters still see him as a Trudeau stooge, but now he can’t claim to have gotten some minor programs.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by casper

He never sold out to anyone.

The NDP signed a supply and confidence agreement. The agreement had a series of joint priorities between the NDP and Liberal. An overview can be found at:
https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-re...-canadians-now

The NDP decided to terminate the agreement. That does not mean they agreement to cause the government to fall. If you look at the agreement it is aggressive on climate change.

The Conservatives miss read the room. They assumed the NDP agreed with them and that false assumption was quickly addressed.

What makes you think the Conservatives misread the room? They were able to quickly paint Singh as a hypocrite, all talk and no action. And now both the NDP and Bloc are seen as enablers of one of the least popular PMs in memory.