Winnipeg Construction X

[rkspec]

I drove past the AC building on Portage ave on the weekend and i see its fenced off and some possible demolition started.
Are there any renders of what they have planned?

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by Hecate

lol you guys, you think I care what you think of me. I really don’t.

But realistically, the median income for a family (that’s two people working) in manitoba after tax was $65,000

You teachers are now starting starting at $70,000 after ten years you’ll hit six figures and if you get to the top level over $125,000… then there’s pension, benefits, and a shit ton of time off.

So you’re doing well, very well. Too well.

It’s the inability to admit this that pisses me off, but then if they didn’t constantly complain who would coddle and throw more money at them.

Just like the cops.

You said twice the Canadian household median income. Not you're comparing after tax Manitoba household to before tax teacher salary. Your assertion is wrong.

I am friends with many teachers and I personally agree with you that teachers salaries are inflated over what a free market would dictate, but no need to make up nonsense statistics.

[bomberjet]

Teachers salaries
https://www.wta.mb.ca/member-resources/collective-agreement/3-duration-of-agreement
3.01 SALARY SCHEDULE

Each School Division shall maintain their current salary schedules that were in effect on June 30, 2022 for the duration of this Collective Agreement with the following general percentage increases applied. The salary schedules are contained in Appendix #1 of this Collective Agreement.

2022/2023 2.5%
2023/2024 2.75%
2024/2025 3.0%
2025/2026 3.0% with a Teacher retention adjustment of 1% on Feb.1, 2026.

Effective on the last day of the Collective Agreement and to be implemented on the first day of the of the September 2026/2027 school year, all teachers will fall under the following harmonized salary scale:

Sorry table is hard to read. But a class 7 teacher makes 126k after 10 years. Become a teacher if you don't like it.

Years Class 1 Class 2 Class 3 Class 4 Class 5 Class 6 Class 7
0 54,276 60,438 67,500 70,379 75,121 79,774 84,414
1 55,434 62,054 69,523 74,003 78,899 83,761 88,621
2 56,592 63,671 71,547 77,626 82,677 87,749 92,827
3 57,750 65,287 73,570 81,250 86,454 91,737 97,034
4 58,908 66,904 75,593 84,873 90,232 95,724 101,241
5 60,066 68,520 77,616 88,497 94,010 99,712 105,448
6 61,223 70,137 79,640 92,121 97,788 103,700 109,654
7 62,381 71,753 81,663 95,744 101,566 107,687 113,861
8 99,368 105,344 111,675 118,068
9 102,991 109,122 115,663 122,274
10 106,615 112,900 119,650 126,481

[KnickKnack]

Originally Posted by rkspec

I drove past the AC building on Portage ave on the weekend and i see its fenced off and some possible demolition started.
Are there any renders of what they have planned?

there's a couple images in here:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breaki...-for-air-canada-park-cleared-for-takeoff

[KnickKnack]

seriously folks can the discussion about teacher pay happen somewhere else?

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Teachers salaries
https://www.wta.mb.ca/member-resources/collective-agreement/3-duration-of-agreement
3.01 SALARY SCHEDULE

Each School Division shall maintain their current salary schedules that were in effect on June 30, 2022 for the duration of this Collective Agreement with the following general percentage increases applied. The salary schedules are contained in Appendix #1 of this Collective Agreement.

2022/2023 2.5%
2023/2024 2.75%
2024/2025 3.0%
2025/2026 3.0% with a Teacher retention adjustment of 1% on Feb.1, 2026.

Effective on the last day of the Collective Agreement and to be implemented on the first day of the of the September 2026/2027 school year, all teachers will fall under the following harmonized salary scale:

Sorry table is hard to read. But a class 7 teacher makes 126k after 10 years. Become a teacher if you don't like it.

Years Class 1 Class 2 Class 3 Class 4 Class 5 Class 6 Class 7
0 54,276 60,438 67,500 70,379 75,121 79,774 84,414
1 55,434 62,054 69,523 74,003 78,899 83,761 88,621
2 56,592 63,671 71,547 77,626 82,677 87,749 92,827
3 57,750 65,287 73,570 81,250 86,454 91,737 97,034
4 58,908 66,904 75,593 84,873 90,232 95,724 101,241
5 60,066 68,520 77,616 88,497 94,010 99,712 105,448
6 61,223 70,137 79,640 92,121 97,788 103,700 109,654
7 62,381 71,753 81,663 95,744 101,566 107,687 113,861
8 99,368 105,344 111,675 118,068
9 102,991 109,122 115,663 122,274
10 106,615 112,900 119,650 126,481

Someone becoming a teacher doesn't solve the issue of certain political parties capitulating to unions leading to over compensation of public roles. A 2015 study showed Manitoba teachers were the best compensated in the country and Manitoba students had amongst the lowest test results. Comparing to similar demographic province of Saskatchewan showed the same thing. Sask teachers were compensated less with slightly better student outcomes.

[FactaNV]

Mods - can we clean this up please? Break off a new thread or something but this construction thread hasn't been about construction for like a page now lol.

[drew]

The vast majority of teachers are class 4 or class 5. As per that table the salaries for most teachers top out around $100k. This isn't life a changing salary. Pretty low range for a professional position to be perfectly honest, and again about 25% less than what typical firefighters and cops make.

Everyone knows what holidays that teachers get. If a certain someone considers that this career offers such a luxurious lifestyle (comparable to a doctor...) - why aren't they a teacher too?

[rkspec]

Originally Posted by KnickKnack

there's a couple images in here:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breaki...-for-air-canada-park-cleared-for-takeoff

That pesky paywall!!!

*edit* i googled this

[neutroniks]

Originally Posted by rkspec

That pesky paywall!!!

*edit* i googled this

Try this.

https://www.scribd.com/document/652560028/Air-Canada-Park-Handout#from_embed

[trueviking]

Wow. I wish architects made as much as teachers. Ha ha.

Add a very good pension on top of that. I wish I had one of those.

[Brule-le]

Originally Posted by Hecate

lol you guys, you think I care what you think of me. I really don’t. .

We don't care what you think. We don't care how you feel. Just leave. We want to discuss construction.

[bomberjet]

That's what unions do. Look at police and fire service.

Those teacher salaries really are not out of line from my perspective over here in the professional services area of the private sector. I would say they're very similar to what our rates are.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Brule-le

We don't care what you think. We don't care how you feel. Just leave. We want to discuss construction.

I dont want hectae to leave. I consider him a valued asset to this forum.

[Biff]

"You guys wanna hear a construction joke? Hold on, I'm working on it."

[lotw_wpg]

Letters for the capital grant are coming out as we speak. Our office didn't get it. I was wondering who did. Hopefully, the projects that got it do good work for the community.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I dont want hectae to leave. I consider him a valued asset to this forum.

I agree, I disagree with his take here and he may be a bit sardonic, but he's a frequent poster and a good contributor here. No need to censor, but if we can get this back on track to construction, all the better.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

That's what unions do. Look at police and fire service.

Those teacher salaries really are not out of line from my perspective over here in the professional services area of the private sector.

that's interesting...i guess that's why people don't become architects for the money, ha ha....over a lifetime (including pension) that is probably close to twice the earnings of an architect.

[bomberjet]

Looking at the class 7, 10 year experience number of $126k. That is definitely in the realm of possibility for someone say in engineering to be making that money at 10 years. And being at the high end of the pay scale, that is normal to me as not everyone is making that money. There are lots of people making less than that, just like teachers.

Min salary of $55k is also about right.

[drew]

Originally Posted by trueviking

that's interesting...i guess that's why people don't become architects for the money, ha ha....over a lifetime (including pension) that is probably close to twice the earnings of an architect.

Most jobs don't have a pension - but it also isn't free. It requires a not insignificant amount of after tax contributions.

If you, an Architect or me, and Engineer in the private industry contributed to a group plan or RRSP at a similar rate for a similar amount of time, you would end up with a retirement nest-egg not too far off of a pensioner.

Also note that teachers pensions (like their salaries) are the red headed step child in terms of remuneration in comparison to their siblings in Fire, Police, Civic/Provincial and Federal employers.