Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[whatnext]

The judge who went easy on him then now has blood on their hands.

[jollyburger]

The Vancouver Police Department says a woman is recovering after a “violent strong-arm” robbery in Mount Pleasant Saturday evening.

Police are crediting three Good Samaritans for preventing the 23-year-old victim from being seriously injured.

“Three total strangers acted bravely and decisively when a fellow citizen was in danger, and in doing so they stopped this violent crime in progress,” said Sgt. Steve Addison.

“We are grateful to these three men for their quick thinking, and for the actions they took to help someone in need.”

The woman left work at around 9 p.m. when she was grabbed by a man with a knife from behind. He threatened to stab her and dragged her into a nearby lane.

“A 29-year-old man was passing by when he heard the woman call for help and saw her struggling with the suspect,” the VPD said in a news release.

“He immediately flagged over two men in a passing car, and together the three Good Samaritans began yelling at the suspect until he released the victim and fled. One of the men called 911.”

The suspect fled and was later found near Ross Street East and East 43rd Avenue.

The VPD says the suspect, a 59-year-old man who frequents the area, is now in custody after a major police response that included more than 30 officers, including members of the canine unit.

The victim was treated in hospital.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/09/08/vancouver-attack-robbery-woman-mount-pleasant/

[Metro-One]

To be released tomorrow by another ideologically driven judge!

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

It blows my mind that Machetes aren't illegal

You have obviously never done work in the bush where manchettes are a valuable tool.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by whatnext

The judge who went easy on him then now has blood on their hands.

It's more and more clear that the problem is with the judicial system and the insane leniency given by these judges, who are sadly products of our academic institutions that of late have been captured by pandering ideologies. All theory these days, but a complete lack of practicality.

I would hate to be a police officer these days. Vilified constantly in the media and by the people you are protecting, and completely retarded by the judicial system.

If I was apprehending and being assaulted daily by the same people who are never given prison or forced institutional time for their endless crimes and public disturbances, I would go insane too.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

It's more and more clear that the problem is with the judicial system and the insane leniency given by these judges, who are sadly products of our academic institutions that of late have been captured by pandering ideologies. All theory these days, but a complete lack of practicality.

Yes and no - there's been a few cases where provincial justices have all agreed that certain people are liable to reoffend and shouldn't be let out... but due to Bill C-75 (let them go until their court date because the jails are full, a.k.a."catch and release") or pressure from the feds, they're encouraged to do so anyway.

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

...I would hate to be a police officer these days...

That was my first thought when I read this in the news last week Charges stayed against man accused of trying to steal VPD officer’s gun in DTES
It is no longer a crime to assault and/or attempt to steal a police officer's gun. This had me red faced.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

That was my first thought when I read this in the news last week Charges stayed against man accused of trying to steal VPD officer’s gun in DTES
It is no longer a crime to assault and/or attempt to steal a police officer's gun. This had me red faced.

He surprisingly had no criminal record.

And this on Reddit when the incident happened.

He’s “potentially” facing charges because the Crown prosecutors are the ones who decide to bring charges against someone or not, not the police. That’s true for all crimes that are investigated in BC. It’s just the technicalities of how the system works, so it’s a little silly to act like there’s a chance he won’t be charged for assaulting an officer on camera.

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/tyttsw/video_shows_suspect_allegedly_try_and_steal_gun/

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Yes and no - there's been a few cases where provincial justices have all agreed that certain people are liable to reoffend and shouldn't be let out... but due to Bill C-75 (let them go until their court date because the jails are full, a.k.a."catch and release") or pressure from the feds, they're encouraged to do so anyway.

Thanks again Justin Trudeau!

[s211]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/09/08/vancouver-attack-robbery-woman-mount-pleasant/

Mount Pleasant and Ross/43rd are nowhere close to each other. How the heck would that (alleged) person get that far and still get picked up?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by s211

Mount Pleasant and Ross/43rd are nowhere close to each other. How the heck would that (alleged) person get that far and still get picked up?

Bus?

[logan5]

Originally Posted by s211

Mount Pleasant and Ross/43rd are nowhere close to each other. How the heck would that (alleged) person get that far and still get picked up?

Anybody know whereabouts in Mt pleasant this happened? It didnt say in the article I read.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by logan5

Anybody know whereabouts in Mt pleasant this happened? It didnt say in the article I read.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...ft-knife-attack-mount-pleasant-1.7317257

Apparently the woman was a worker at the convience store at 12th and Windsor.

[logan5]

Thanks. That’s a very quiet part of MtPleasant. Not where you would expect something like this, though Mt. Pleasant has 4 large social housing buildings in it, so these guys are all over the place.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by logan5

Thanks. That’s a very quiet part of MtPleasant. Not where you would expect something like this, though Mt. Pleasant has 4 large social housing buildings in it, so these guys are all over the place.

Luckily the one Good Samaritan jumped on and was joined by two others. I’ve done the same once. Don't just assume someone else will help.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Yes and no - there's been a few cases where provincial justices have all agreed that certain people are liable to reoffend and shouldn't be let out... but due to Bill C-75 (let them go until their court date because the jails are full, a.k.a."catch and release") or pressure from the feds, they're encouraged to do so anyway.

If the jails are full, just pack them in, especially for suspects of heinous crimes. I'm totally fine with that.

Even poor school kids are packed into containers for their classes in this province.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

It blows my mind that Machetes aren't illegal

Many jobs, including land surveying, require workers to carry axes or machetes with them. Of course, if I were to see a yahoo or zombie waving a machete in public, I'll call 911 immediately. If vigilantes want to pound on him and remove it from the individual, so be it.

[giallo]

Originally Posted by logan5

Thanks. That’s a very quiet part of MtPleasant. Not where you would expect something like this, though Mt. Pleasant has 4 large social housing buildings in it, so these guys are all over the place.

It's a beautiful part of East Vancouver. Lots of families. I live a few blocks away from that convenience store. I used to get my Amazon packages from there.

[GMD]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Yes and no - there's been a few cases where provincial justices have all agreed that certain people are liable to reoffend and shouldn't be let out... but due to Bill C-75 (let them go until their court date because the jails are full, a.k.a."catch and release") or pressure from the feds, they're encouraged to do so anyway.

To be clear, the jails aren't full, or if they are, it is because we made a choice (closed facilities / failed to expand in line with population growth).

Per Statscan, the incarceration rate was 72 per 100k in 2022/2023 - aside from 2020/2021 and 2021/2022, this is by far the lowest rate in the data series (goes back to 1978/1979). The rate has bounced around between 79 to 90 for decades before it plunged from 79 in 2019/2020 to 62 in 2020/2021 following implementation of Bill C-75 in 2019.

Bill C-48 was passed in Jan 2024, reversing some of the bail provisions of Bill C-75.

Poster svlt was asking earlier in the thread who even opposes longer sentences for repeat offenders, so here is a typical example I found when looking up the stats above.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatche...make-communities-safer-experts-1.7077332

The headline reads: "New bail reform law and policing won't fix root causes of violent offenders, Sask. experts say"

Meanwhile the sub-head: "RCMP data says almost half of Sask. homicide charges were against people on bail or parole"

Here is a quote:

"Criminal lawyer and sexual violence researcher Cassandra Richardson said Bill C-48 doesn't address root causes of crime, particularly for domestic violence.

"Poverty, mental health, substance abuse, that's what really we need to look at," Richardson said.

...

"I have concerns that Bill C-48 might just delay the next assault, it might not address the root causes," she said."

See, if you keep a repeat offender incarcerated for a while, it only delays their next assault, and that is bad because it doesn't address the root cause...

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by GMD

See, if you keep a repeat offender incarcerated for a while, it only delays their next assault, and that is bad because it doesn't address the root cause...

(sigh) Okay lady, so how about we delay the next assault indefinitely until you can address those root causes?

People like these create a hundred more Conservative voters every time they open their mouths.