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Old Posted Sep 5, 2024, 2:42 PM
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Virtually NO ONE would argue with this philosophy. Seems that every participant on this site yearns for this kind of development. But no where does it advocate that it can only be achieved with a wall of towers. There are great examples where 'density can be done well' with 6-10 story developments that adhere to the other qualifiers. Not that I don't love a good tall building, but they aren't always necessary to achieve these objectives.
Many European cities are like this. Paris is a good example, where basically every building is around 6 floors, but the city is dense and vibrant.
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Correction...Jubilee Station is the location. The Carrington project.
     
     
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Legit question for those in the know: What was award-winning about this design?
     
     
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Legit question for those in the know: What was award-winning about this design?
Perhaps the Rube-Goldberg Design of the Year?

The whole concept was always weird in my head, the province spending money for housing for only one religious group shouldn't be a thing, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Animist or otherwise.
     
     
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Legit question for those in the know: What was award-winning about this design?
https://www.archdaily.com/385093/cen...6-architecture
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2024, 5:17 PM
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Perhaps the Rube-Goldberg Design of the Year?

The whole concept was always weird in my head, the province spending money for housing for only one religious group shouldn't be a thing, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Animist or otherwise.
Haha Rube Goldberg. So the design was inventive but not practical, got it. I can see how tiny multi-floor dwellings could be a real hassle for day-to-day family life. Seems like the designers made a lot of assumptions based on what supposedly works elsewhere: "The project challenges and proves that we can design and live in less square footage than what we have grown accustomed to in North America". Yeah no. This is Winnipeg. We don't have to go THAT small. We have a sprawling downtown pockmarked with vacant land until the end of time. And yes, the whole concept was a head-scratcher.
     
     
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Here is the Winnipeg Architecture Foundation page about the building:

https://winnipegarchitecture.ca/centre-village/

Here is the infamous Guardian article trashing the building's design:
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...using-winnipeg

And here is the architect's response to the article:
https://www.archdaily.com/781246/546...ousing-project

Personally, as someone who has been involved with designing projects in central Winnipeg, it is insane that someone would design a courtyard-style development with no extra security features in such a high-crime area. People talk about the suites being an awkward shape and size, which was an issue, but really the bigger issue was that the development wasn't safe to live in. The building has a central courtyard, hidden from the street, with no fence around the property. Like obviously sketchy people are going to hang out somewhere where they can be hidden from the street, especially if there is no property manager on-site to kick them out. The architects claim that the crime isn't their fault, which it isn't, but that's not an excuse to design a complex that will so obviously be susceptible to crime. Central Park is one of the poorest and highest crime neighbourhoods in Canada, anyone with common sense would put building security as a top priority during the design phase. There are many other social housing projects in Central Park which didn't fail after only 10 years. What was the difference? The buildings were more secure.

It drives me crazy that public money was wasted on such a terrible design. It is so hard to get public housing built nowadays due to lack of funding. Every project counts, every apartment counts, every dollar counts. I think the waitlist to get into Manitoba Housing is still around 5000 households long.

Go and read the project description from the Winnipeg Architectural Foundation that I posted. Here is a short excerpt:

"As implied in the project’s moniker, the structure has a village-like aspect, one accentuated by its courtyard, exterior staircases, balconies and alleyways. On the one hand, with its irregularity (in plan and elevation) and materiality, this appearance recalls vernacular arrangements such as historic mediterranean Greek settlements and even urban complexes found in Africa and the Middle East. On the other, Centre Village also looks something like the early modernist constructions such as the Stuttgart housing project the Weissenhof Estate, thrown in a blender. As at Stuttgart – and in Greece – the use of humble stucco here is a gesture to economic necessity, but this choice is also aestheticised. The neo-modernist irregular design also recalls the divergent modernism of post-war architects such as Aldo van Eyck, even as a core functionalism echoes more closely modern practices of the interwar period. The use of orange as a punctuation mark and the unusual array of windows also speaks to contemporary trends and practices, paralleling Los Angeles condominium development Habitat 15 by Predock Frane Architects, winner of a 2009 American Institute of Architects Design Award."

Yeah maybe the building kind of looks like a Greek Village or has some weird colours that are similar to some random project in Los Angeles. But maybe if you're designing a social housing complex in a high-crime neighbourhood you should add some extra security features (even just a fence around the property) so that the residents feel safe.
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Damn Sasa how hard is it to just admit you missed the mark?
     
     
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Thanks so much for collecting and posting all of this info. Very interesting and informative.
     
     
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Damn Sasa how hard is it to just admit you missed the mark?
The Hubris is unreal.
     
     
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I'm hoping someone here can help explain the interesting road work going on in my neighbourhood.

The concrete road has had a bunch of chunks cut out, about 6" wide and 3" deep and at various lengths along some of the joints that were starting to crumble a bit. They then filled these sections with a very watery looking concrete. Once this cured they cut new joints where the old ones were. The road looks great but I wonder how permanent a fix this is.
     
     
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It's an attempt to stop the concrete from further deterioration. It's like fixing potholes. They did this/do this on roads like Bishop Grandin. IIRC when I drove that road daily, it didn't hold up for much more than 1-2 years. I think they just ended up overlaying with asphalt.

So maybe if it's on your local street, it will be fine.
     
     
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So didn't the whole European 'courtyard and alleyways' concept get carried forward into the footprint of the Forks Railside, which I believe this firm played a part in designing?

Man I really hope it's more successful in a larger context, with more functional buildings, than it was in the social housing complex on Isabel.
     
     
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Looks like this. They overlaid a few years after these repairs.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.84080...oASAFQAw%3D%3D
     
     
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So didn't the whole European 'courtyard and alleyways' concept get carried forward into the footprint of the Forks Railside, which I believe this firm played a part in designing?

Man I really hope it's more successful in a larger context, with more functional buildings, than it was in the social housing complex on Isabel.
Yes it did get carried over and yes it's the same architecture firm (5468796 Architecture) that did the site plan for Forks Railside. It's definitely something that makes me nervous about the project. Hopefully because The Forks is safer than Central Park it won't be an issue, but of course there is still some crime at The Forks so that's why I'm still a bit nervous.
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So didn't the whole European 'courtyard and alleyways' concept get carried forward into the footprint of the Forks Railside, which I believe this firm played a part in designing?
This is a HUGE question and very important to ask. The Forks currently doesn't have a lot of spots that are really hidden from view, but they have substantial numbers of on-site security staff wandering the grounds.

So, adding this feels like those unfenced interior courtyards could very easily suffer the same fate as Centre Village.



But on the other hand, it's unlikely to be as bad because the designs of the buildings themselves don't create as many blind corners and hidden nooks as barcode created in Centre Village. The design of the buildings looks pretty conventional and bland (the one below is Streetside/Prairie Architects, which is a combination that will prioritize cheap blandness):

     
     
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So didn't the whole European 'courtyard and alleyways' concept get carried forward into the footprint of the Forks Railside, which I believe this firm played a part in designing?

Man I really hope it's more successful in a larger context, with more functional buildings, than it was in the social housing complex on Isabel.
Yeah railside doesn't look like the courtyards are so concealed, they are more like alleys between the buildings, not little hidden-away nooks and crannies.

And the area is also very different. The Forks is not immune to the social problems downtown but the sorts of people and activities going on at that site right now are extremely different than what you'd find on Isabel. Centre village was right in the middle of all those problems already. The trouble makers were already walking up and down that block every day. I doubt they're going to migrate to the Forks when there's nothing else there for them. Plus the forks has on-site security and property management that will actually take some kind of action.

Very different context than a social housing building in one of the worst neighborhoods in the country, IMO. And the context is exactly what mattered, what 54612345 failed to consider.
     
     
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