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[SkyHigher]

Originally Posted by Sky88

Maybe something like that?

[Hudson11]

now add a spire.

[NYguy]

Nothing they are proposing here is so drastically different from what exists at the High Line now.



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The state needs to get on board, and do something with the 2 sites it owns nearby, including Site K (Affirmation Tower), and this lot, the former truck marshalling yards.
It sits directly across from what would be the casino resort. The governor has said she wants affordable housing on these sites, but has done nothing to move that forward.

[NYguy]

Had more time to walk through the vast wastelands of the west side....


SEPTEMBER 2, 2024


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Government inaction allows this lot to sit, and sit. Meanwhile, the casino proposal across the street will sit some more, thanks to that same inaction.


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A casino/resort could rise above these rails...(earning the state mega bucks from both the casino, and the development that enables it). But let's not rush.


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This little corner would feature another park...


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Work continues on the tube for the Gateway tunnel crossing...


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I like posting photos like this. The next time someone complains about buildings "overwhelming" the High Line, you can tell'em to fuck off.


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Work continues on the Wells Fargo expansion...


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[mrnyc]

if they win the casino bid they’ll probably have to start decking it over from north to south and leave the south end open for awhile while they work on gateway tunneling.

[NYguy]

^ They’re just protecting the right of way. They did a similar thing on the eastern side. But only the casino resort will be above the deck.

Originally Posted by NYguy

[NYguy]

This is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about...


https://www.dezeen.com/2024/09/04/ne...-under-threat/

High Line "under threat" from proposed skyscrapers and casino say Friends of the High Line founders


Ben Dreith
9/04/24

The Friends of the High Line founders Joshua David and Robert Hammond made a series of criticisms about proposed developments in an opinion piece published in NY Daily News today.

The duo expressed concerned about the impact of a proposed development at West Side Yard on the experience of the High Line – a disused railway track that was turned into a raised park by studios Diller Scofidio + Renfro, James Corner Field Operations and Piet Oudolf.

The pair claims that such a development would negatively affect both the experience of the High Line and community-oriented urban development that has they say has resulted from the conversion of the elevated industrial rail line into a planted walkway a decade ago.

"Today the High Line is under threat again from Related and its casino partner, Wynn Resorts," said David and Hammond.

"They are now proposing a massive, Las Vegas-style development on the western rail yard that would wall off city views and eviscerate a hard-won, community-supported plan for a more balanced development centered on a major, riverview green space."

The pair claims that the development would "block" the views from the High Line, which ends at Hudson Yards, and suggested that the casino and restaurants would negatively affect local businesses.

"So much for supporting the community fabric of Chelsea and Hell's Kitchen. This stands in contrast to other NYC-area casino proposals that offer incentives to patronize neighborhood restaurants," they said, adding that they support development of the site that would conform to the 2009 agreement.

Related denied the claims, highlighting its status as a "long-time supporter" of the High Line. It claims that Friends of the High Line have engaged in a "disinformation campaign".

"First, the High Line is not remotely under threat by our proposal to develop the Western Rail Yards; as longtime neighbors and supporters of the High Line, we have met with them 10 times and made substantial amendments to our proposal in response to their concerns," a spokesperson for the company told Dezeen.

"Since that time, they have failed to communicate any substantive concerns and instead have launched a disinformation campaign."

Related also claims that the 2009 plan was scrapped because of economic feasibility, and noted the inclusion of housing under the proposed scheme, adding that the development will add housing and maintain the views from the High Line.

"While the High Line hand wrings over the impact on their 'city views' of a rail yard, this proposal will create a 5.6-acre new green public park, 5,000 permanent union jobs in the resort, more than 300 units of new affordable housing and much needed economic investment in NYC, all while enhancing access to the High Line."

I'm so sick of people just saying non-factual bullshit. But at least Related is fighting back. The evidence is all there for the jury to decide.

[ChiND]

It will be an utter outrage if this project is killed (or dramatically scaled back) by NIMBYs.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

It will be an utter outrage if this project is killed (or dramatically scaled back) by NIMBYs.

It won't be scaled back. The square footage has to remain the same. But it is interesting that they met with the community and altered the project 10 times already. That means the formatting of the space probably changed from time to time. Could have been taller towers. Could have been a larger base. Who knows. The bottom line is everything the Friends of the High Line are saying is untrue. They can be against the casino, and that's fine. But they should just say that. It's the lying I can't stomach.

[bdurk]

The fact that there are NIMBYs for these types of project in NYC always makes no sense to me. Manhattan is full of supertalls and somehow the 30th (I don't know the actual number but I figure it might be more than that) supertall skyscraper is going to "ruin" something. I'm used to people in Philly being like that but it is absurd to me that anyone can live in New York City and think they don't sound ridiculous spewing stuff like that.

[Zapatan]

^ Agreed, anyone complaining about skyscrapers in NYC is welcome to move to Kansas.

Originally Posted by NYguy

It won't be scaled back. The square footage has to remain the same.

I just hope there's still a chance for something noticeably taller than 30HY.

[gflny03]

Does anyone know if there's a development plan for Block 679?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by bdurk

The fact that there are NIMBYs for these types of project in NYC always makes no sense to me. Manhattan is full of supertalls and somehow the 30th (I don't know the actual number but I figure it might be more than that) supertall skyscraper is going to "ruin" something. I'm used to people in Philly being like that but it is absurd to me that anyone can live in New York City and think they don't sound ridiculous spewing stuff like that.

There is no rationale to NIMBY thinking. It is just the kneejerk reaction. Like a dog barking at anything that passes by.

Originally Posted by Zapatan

I just hope there's still a chance for something noticeably taller than 30HY.

I can tell you that that is not a goal of this development.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by bdurk

The fact that there are NIMBYs for these types of project in NYC always makes no sense to me. Manhattan is full of supertalls and somehow the 30th (I don't know the actual number but I figure it might be more than that) supertall skyscraper is going to "ruin" something. I'm used to people in Philly being like that but it is absurd to me that anyone can live in New York City and think they don't sound ridiculous spewing stuff like that.

NIMBYism killed what would've been a very great supertall in Philly, yet NY is about to get it's 30th supertall. One Vanderbilt is a new supertall that I loved and it would've spurred competition between the two cities, but I guess Philadelphians are so nimbyish and so undynamic. They make great food, though!

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

I can tell you that that is not a goal of this development.

I know but it would be awesome.

I worry about the buildings being scaled back height wise (not square footage necessarily but being made fatter / shorter) and creating a plateau effect with the several existing 1k foot buildings.

NIMBYism killed what would've been a very great supertall in Philly, yet NY is about to get it's 30th supertall.

Which one are you referring to?

NY has around 20 when counting U/C buildings.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

I know but it would be awesome.

I worry about the buildings being scaled back height wise (not square footage necessarily but being made fatter / shorter) and creating a plateau effect with the several existing 1k foot buildings.



Which one are you referring to?


NY has around 20 when counting U/C buildings.

Maybe he means including proposed? If so NYC has well over 30+

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by MAC123

Maybe he means including proposed? If so NYC has well over 30+

Maybe I'm cynical but proposals mean nothing. Many if not most never get built anyway.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It won't be scaled back. The square footage has to remain the same. But it is interesting that they met with the community and altered the project 10 times already. That means the formatting of the space probably changed from time to time. Could have been taller towers. Could have been a larger base. Who knows. The bottom line is everything the Friends of the High Line are saying is untrue. They can be against the casino, and that's fine. But they should just say that. It's the lying I can't stomach.

I agree. I thought that perhaps Related might cave and reduce the towers’ current proposed heights and instead build another one.

Anyway, presumably, if Wynn doesn’t get the casino license, the western yard won’t start for a long time, which means no school, no give-away, “affordable” apartments, and no park for a long time. Thus, these jerks are only spiting themselves. Also, on a bigger level for the city, Related’s proposal will create far more construction jobs than the other proposals would.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by ChiND

I agree. I thought that perhaps Related might cave and reduce the towers’ current proposed heights and instead build another one.

Do they have enough space to do this?

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Do they have enough space to do this?

Weren’t 4-5 towers originally planned for the west yard?

P.S.: What’s the cat in the blanket supposed to represent? I’m curious.