Federal Government & Politics II

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by shreddog

Here is a link to the LPC Constitution - LINK.

Please feel free to point out where the PM can unilaterally disband local Electoral District Associations in the next 12 months.

The PM signs riding nominations and I bet most most Liberal activists go along with whatever Trudeau says that gives them a chance to win. Heck, they are going along with him now as he leads them over the cliff. You think they won't throw a few local candidates overboard to have a chance to not go over the cliff?

If you buy the climate crisis narrative PP is an extistential threat. Or was the carbon tax and reshaping of our economy just for fun?

[shreddog]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

The PM signs riding nominations and I bet most most Liberal activists go along with whatever Trudeau says that gives them a chance to win. Heck, they are going along with him now as he leads them over the cliff. You think they won't throw a few local candidates overboard to have a chance to not go over the cliff?

So you didn't read the by-laws then. Sorry, not interested in talking theories and fantasies ...

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by shreddog

So you didn't read the by-laws then. Sorry, not interested in talking theories and fantasies ...

Where does it say in the BC United bylaws they can disband and give up. Does the BC Conservative party say they can re-open nominations 2 weeks before the election campaign and let some BC United sitting MLAs run instead?

BC has a long history of total disdain for the NDP and the polling was much different that a more or less equal LIberal NDP support but a recent poll had the NDP dropping to 15% so an NDP wipeout is within reach. A Liberal wipeout in the sense of losing half or more of their MPs is all but inevitable.

Trudeau has already shown he will do anything to stay in power so theories and fantasies seem very possible.

[whatnext]

Somewhat disingenuously, Poilievre has written to Singh asking him to pull the plug on this govt and the “costly coalition”. Of course he knows Singh won’t have the spine but it does remind voters that the NDP are Trudeau’s biggest enabler.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...ingh-1.7307944

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I think the negative effects of Trudeau's immigration policy will be felt for decades. He reversed 150 years of policy of targeting skilled immigrants who would benefit the economy and has dumped hundreds of thousands of uneducated and unskilled workers into the country who will become a permanent underclass and lead to a lot of the immigration-related problems that Europe has.

I think you are probably right but we have had mass unskilled immigration in many waves previously that were integrated well and provided cheap labour to Canadian factories and farms. It's possible if we can freeze immigration and return to growth that we can absorb them. It only takes a few years of near zero immigration to return the 10 year average to something reasonable. There will be tough choices but Polievre is capable of making them. The business lobby against such an action will be fierce as will the boomer landlord and general real estate owner lobby.

[O-tacular]

Peepee grandstanding and writing the equivalent of a mean toilet tweet to Singh to demand he cancel the agreement with the Liberals and trigger a fall election. Funny to hear a career politician who had a pension in his 20’s accusing the leader of the NDP of prolonging the time to election to qualify for a pension. What a transparent, vile, bloviating little shit he is. If this is a preview of what his government would look like then we all better buckle up for 4 years of his Preston Manning sounding, whiny nasally voice blaming all of life’s travails on Justin Trudeau and George Soros (or whatever other conspiracy theorist villains he might conjure). If Harris becomes President (which is becoming increasingly likely) he will blame her and Democrats when the oilsands economy he plans on running craters.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/poil...tion-1.7018629

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

Where does it say in the BC United bylaws they can disband and give up. Does the BC Conservative party say they can re-open nominations 2 weeks before the election campaign and let some BC United sitting MLAs run instead?

I can't find their constitution online anywhere but apparently they say that the leader of the party has the ability to withdraw candidate nominations unilaterally. That's also mentioned in Rob Shaw's rundown of what happened:

Wednesday, Falcon pushed the deal through the United party board — though United officials insist this was a mere formality because under the party’s constitution the leader had the power to revoke the party candidates, and he did.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

I think you are probably right but we have had mass unskilled immigration in many waves previously that were integrated well and provided cheap labour to Canadian factories and farms. It's possible if we can freeze immigration and return to growth that we can absorb them. It only takes a few years of near zero immigration to return the 10 year average to something reasonable. There will be tough choices but Polievre is capable of making them. The business lobby against such an action will be fierce as will the boomer landlord and general real estate owner lobby.

They may not have been well educated, but they weren’t unskilled. They knew how to farm steppe, or work as machinists or other roles in factories. The current round of “students” and TFWs have no such skills or useful role in the economy.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

If you buy the climate crisis narrative PP is an extistential threat. Or was the carbon tax and reshaping of our economy just for fun?

Whether or not someone believes climate change is an existential threat, nobody believes whatever Canada does has any impact on that. See the massive increase in immigration or the 100% tariffs on EVs.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Like.. I'm Jewish and pro-Israel but in some alternate scenario where Israel buddied up to the China/Russia axis...

Israel has been selling American military tech or co-developed Israeli-USA military tech secrets to China for decades since at least the early 1980s.







Not only that but China then sells weapons to Iran who provides them to Hezbollah and Hamas. You can't even make this crazy weapons pipeline loop up.

Israel -> China -> Iran -> Hezbollah and Hamas to be then used against Israel





Edit: also the Port of Haifa is Israel's largest shipping port. Israel gave China, through Shanghai International Port Group, a 25 year lease starting in 2021 to operate the newest container terminal at the Port.

[P'tit Renard]

Originally Posted by acottawa

They may not have been well educated, weren’t unskilled. They knew how to farm steppe, or work as machinists or other roles in factories. The current round of “students” and TFWs have no such skills or useful role in the economy.

Not only that, but these fake students treat these blue collar professions as beneath them. They bought these degrees thinking it'll somehow shoehorn them into white collar careers in Canada once they secure Canadian PR. The significant mismatch in expectations and disappointment is going to rock Canada violently.

[O-tacular]

A preview of what’s to come under cpc leadership:

Alberta NDP Leader Naheed Nenshi slams premier’s plan to transfer hospitals

https://www.stettlerindependent.com/...pitals-7508339

Expect Peepee to undermine universal healthcare and ‘leave it to the provinces’ just like the GOP Supreme Court passed abortion rights to states. Every province with a conservative government will then follow the UCP’s example. Alberta is the bellwether for where the cpc is going. If Smith passes ownership of rural hospitals to a Catholic organization then reproductive rights will be lost. This isn’t fiction or fear mongering. Look at Smith’s own words.

“When you’re dealing with a monopoly, and they believe that they can deliver any type of care and there’s no consequences, they’re going to continue to deliver bad service,”

“Any type of care and there’s no consequences” is a dog whistle to anti vaxxers and conservatives opposed to abortion.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

If you buy the climate crisis narrative PP is an extistential threat. Or was the carbon tax and reshaping of our economy just for fun?

It is a crisis.

Canada's 2023 wildfires emitted enough carbon to equal India's annual emissions

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/29/can...missions-study

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

A preview of what’s to come under cpc leadership:


https://www.stettlerindependent.com/...pitals-7508339

Expect Peepee to undermine universal healthcare and ‘leave it to the provinces’ just like the GOP Supreme Court passed abortion rights to states. Every province with a conservative government will then follow the UCP’s example. Alberta is the bellwether for where the cpc is going. If Smith passes ownership of rural hospitals to a Catholic organization then reproductive rights will be lost. This isn’t fiction or fear mongering. Look at Smith’s own words.



“Any type of care and there’s no consequences” is a dog whistle to anti vaxxers and conservatives opposed to abortion.

I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here and say private hospitals may not necessarily be the end of the world. Several Manitoban hospitals are technically run by the Church, an example being St Boniface (national-class tertiary research hospital). Several in BC are also run by the Church under Providence Health.

While naturally I'm suspicious of Smith's actions because I assume she's acting in bad faith, there are examples in Canada of healthcare facilities being run by non-profits.

[CanSpice]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here and say private hospitals may not necessarily be the end of the world. Several Manitoban hospitals are technically run by the Church, an example being St Boniface (national-class tertiary research hospital). Several in BC are also run by the Church under Providence Health.

While naturally I'm suspicious of Smith's actions because I assume she's acting in bad faith, there are examples in Canada of healthcare facilities being run by non-profits.

And those hospitals in BC don't provide the basic healthcare they should because of their religious beliefs. They don't allow MAID, they don't perform abortions, and they don't offer contraceptives. These should not be held up as examples of how a non-profit or private hospital wouldn't be the "end of the world", instead they should be held up as examples of how a non-profit or private hospital can restrict healthcare for people based on their beliefs or, in the case of a private hospital, the profit or lack thereof.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

If you buy the climate crisis narrative...

The bird that sticks their head in the sand still dies with the Cat 5 hurricane as it rolls across the shore.

Failure to acknowledge our rapidly changing climate and the impact it will have not just on humanity but every fauna and flora of this Earth just makes one look like a troglodyte in 2024.


Even if you believe Canada's current measures are minimally or non impactful, it doesn't change the fact that glaciers across the globe are rapidly melting, and Australia is hitting 41.6 C/106.7 Fahrenheit in what should still be their winter season.

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here and say private hospitals may not necessarily be the end of the world. Several Manitoban hospitals are technically run by the Church, an example being St Boniface (national-class tertiary research hospital). Several in BC are also run by the Church under Providence Health.

While naturally I'm suspicious of Smith's actions because I assume she's acting in bad faith, there are examples in Canada of healthcare facilities being run by non-profits.

Hospitals in Alberta Are run by two organizations: Alberta Health Service and Caritas. Caritas is run by the Catholic Church.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Whether or not someone believes climate change is an existential threat, nobody believes whatever Canada does has any impact on that. See the massive increase in immigration or the 100% tariffs on EVs.

I guess they think Canada's policies have an impact on the world's policies or something. And they might see the EV and immigration would be neccessary tradeoffs in their mind. Immigration would remove emissions from somewhere else so on a world scale not sure that is inconsistent. For EVs we can't let others unfairly take our manufacturing capacity though the logic breaks down if they are subsidizing a product that supposedly will save the world why would we be against that?

If Guilbalut threatened to quit rather than let heating oil be tax free surely at least he thinks saving the carbon tax is worth getting out of politics for and as such maybe is willing to step aside for an NDP to run there. Unless it's just all ego and getting his way....

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

And those hospitals in BC don't provide the basic healthcare they should because of their religious beliefs. They don't allow MAID, they don't perform abortions, and they don't offer contraceptives. These should not be held up as examples of how a non-profit or private hospital wouldn't be the "end of the world", instead they should be held up as examples of how a non-profit or private hospital can restrict healthcare for people based on their beliefs or, in the case of a private hospital, the profit or lack thereof.

I wasn't aware, thank you for the new info. While they shouldn't be able to block reproductive care, I think a care provider should absolutely be able to refuse MAID. Noone should be ordered to kill, no matter how much the person in question wants to die. Providing that service should absolutely be up to the doctors, clinics and hospitals in question.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by YOWetal

I guess they think Canada's policies have an impact on the world's policies or something. And they might see the EV and immigration would be neccessary tradeoffs in their mind. Immigration would remove emissions from somewhere else so on a world scale not sure that is inconsistent. For EVs we can't let others unfairly take our manufacturing capacity though the logic breaks down if they are subsidizing a product that supposedly will save the world why would we be against that?

If Guilbalut threatened to quit rather than let heating oil be tax free surely at least he thinks saving the carbon tax is worth getting out of politics for and as such maybe is willing to step aside for an NDP to run there. Unless it's just all ego and getting his way....

Virtually every immigrant to Canada will be living a more carbon-intensive lifestyle here than in their country of origin. The exceptions would be the relative handful from Australia or the USA.