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Old Posted Aug 27, 2024, 12:42 AM
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Sorry. That picture is hideously gross. Astra can't save it.
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2024, 1:51 AM
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Art, music staying in downtown Salt Lake City. But how and where?
Salt Lake County weighs renovating or rebuilding the home of the Utah Symphony


https://www.deseret.com/utah/2024/08...bravanel-hall/

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In a backroom at the Utah Museum of Contemporary Art, a dozen children wearing smocks were busily painting and chatting away as executive director Laura Allred Hurtado showed me and a photographer around the indistinct building, sandwiched between the Salt Palace Convention Center and Abravanel Hall in downtown Salt Lake City.
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Renovate or rebuild?
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“It’s a very sincere attempt to preserve the hall as is. But I don’t have all the information right now,” Salt Lake County Mayor Jenny Wilson said. “I’m literally going through architectural renderings to say how do we preserve but not compromise the connectivity and activation we’re looking for for all of those assets.”

Before even considering what to do with Abravanel Hall, she said the county needs to figure out how to replace about 40% of the nearly 1 million square-foot Salt Lake Palace Convention Center that would be bulldozed in the SEG plan. And that’s complicated.

“What’s often overlooked is the extensive amount of renovation that will need to be done on the Salt Palace. First and foremost, the county and region and the state can’t walk away from our investment in the facility,” Wilson said, adding the convention center not only generates revenue but impacts hotels, restaurants and the city’s reputation. “Equal or beyond the importance of keeping the Jazz and adding hockey is a vibrant tourism industry.”

Conventions and visitors in Salt Lake County generate $5 billion annually in direct spending and more than $10 million a year in hotel tax revenue for Salt Lake City, a county economic analysis shows.
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A cost analysis estimated replacing the square footage range at $800 million to $2.3 billion, she said. Wilson said she has also looked at moving the symphony hall down the street closer to the Hyatt Regency as well as other nearby properties.

“There aren’t a lot of options to replace that square footage. The reason this (going underground) was even suggested was we’re trying to avoid additional cost and additional infrastructure needs,” she said. “There’s quite an expense to that but Salt Lake County doesn’t have the revenue stream.”

That means, Wilson said, the Utah Legislature would have to provide the money. “The Legislature’s going to want to have to do this,” she said. “We’re not going to compromise the success of our Salt Palace.”
With the cost to renovate the Salt Palace coming in so high, I do expect that we will see something from the State Legislature this next session to either come up with funds directly, or via a 'required' tax in SL County to cover the costs.

The costs for the Convention Center do not include the possible replacement costs for either UMOCA nor Abravanel Hall (if the plan is to put the convention space underground).

Additionally, without putting the convention center underground, 1st South will not be opening up.

One reason for the high costs is that the County needs to keep the Conventions active during the reconstruction process. They cannot and will not risk the convention business as it is more beneficial to both downtown SLC and SL County than the entertainment district.

Lastly, SL County will not be able to move forward with any plans to remove the Western portion of the Salt Palace without a funding mechanism in place to replace the lost space, let alone having it in place before any demolition on the block happens.

I think this means that we are at least a year out or more before the County can even move forward on any work for the Salt Palace, plus 2 - 3 years or so for construction of the updated Convention Center. This means we are looking at 2027/2028 for the Entertainment District to possibly start construction. That puts the completion around 2030-2032.

This will be a lot of construction around 4 blocks (5 if we include The West Quarter) over the next 7 - 8 years.

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Old Posted Aug 27, 2024, 2:32 PM
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$2 billion for the Salt Palace? How about $2 billion for the Rio Grande Plan instead?

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Sorry. That picture is hideously gross. Astra can't save it.
Wait you mean this picture?

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Cool shot of Astra from the Utes' social media:

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Old Posted Aug 27, 2024, 3:13 PM
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Dammit! Don't make me have to scroll past that ugly pic on this page too! Lol
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Wrendog, what is so gross about that picture?????
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2024, 4:54 PM
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Wrendog, what is so gross about that picture?????
I mean, do I have to spell it out for you? Go Cougs! Lol.
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2024, 8:17 PM
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I mean, do I have to spell it out for you? Go Cougs! Lol.
Can we paint the north facing, blank Astra wall, a nice Royal/white or Navy/ white please? Just havin' some fun.
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2024, 9:42 PM
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Go utes!!!!!
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2024, 10:01 PM
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I was thinking even the Utah football player can't save that ugly thing behind him.
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2024, 11:06 PM
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Screw BYU and Utah.

And the correct spelling is "Asstra".
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2024, 8:29 PM
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Sorry. That picture is hideously gross. Astra can't save it.
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2024, 10:13 PM
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Astra Tower

Why does everyone keep bitchin about Astra Tower?

I think its a nice looking tower from the East and looking from south to north.

I think we have some much more ugly buildings in our skyline, such as American Towers and the Ken Garff building.

You guys knew from the very start what the building would look like before it was even built and I didnt hear any bitchin about how it looked and most people on this forum was really excited about the building being the new tallest.
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Astra looks neat but sophisticated.

It's the featureless glass buildings like 95 State that are ugly.
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2024, 10:47 PM
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I think Asstra is alright. I add the extra "s" because its assinine the way people complain about it.
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I think Astra looks nice from that angle.
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Y’all be asking why Astra’s design is criticized on this forum then be adding “it looks okay from like just these specific angles”

It’s a building. Some think it’s ugly, others don’t. No one is obligated to feel any way about its design. Move on.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2024, 2:55 AM
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Y’all be asking why Astra’s design is criticized on this forum then be adding “it looks okay from like just these specific angles”

It’s a building. Some think it’s ugly, others don’t. No one is obligated to feel any way about its design. Move on.
It's more than just a building. It's our tallest downtown, the main building everyone was excited about and it's the first building people will look at, it was finished in 2024, not 1975 and it represents a lot of the flaws in the architecture downtown.... which seems to be lazy, low budget construction, zero creativity and a complete missed opportunity... I have no problem moving on, but we don't have much to talk about right now. I guess we could bring up Abravanel Hall...or the Gondola.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2024, 3:20 AM
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It's more than just a building. It's our tallest downtown, the main building everyone was excited about and it's the first building people will look at, it was finished in 2024, not 1975 and it represents a lot of the flaws in the architecture downtown.... which seems to be lazy, low budget construction, zero creativity and a complete missed opportunity... I have no problem moving on, but we don't have much to talk about right now. I guess we could bring up Abravanel Hall...or the Gondola.
I hadn't been on in a while, was kind of thinking the same thing, must be slow around here. Same is true in PHX as well, are we officially in the next valley of the building construction cycle? Real news on new projects seems sparse lately.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2024, 1:21 PM
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Interest rates are really killing new development right now. Until those come down, there's not going to be a lot of new things to talk about. Even if you look at the planning commission meetings, the agendas have been pretty light.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2024, 1:55 PM
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Astra looks neat but sophisticated.

It's the featureless glass buildings like 95 State that are ugly.
Ooooh, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on 95 State, Paniolo Man!
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