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Old Posted Aug 19, 2024, 8:10 PM
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Wow! Just listening to a lady on the radio whose commute will be increased by 30 minutes, because the bus route will redirected to Line 2 which is much less direct for the rider but shortens the bus route allowing OC to save money. Customer service be d*mned.

I figure my travel time will be increased by 15 minutes to go downtown, so there are other places to go, of course, not by transit.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2024, 8:44 PM
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Wow! Just listening to a lady on the radio whose commute will be increased by 30 minutes, because the bus route will redirected to Line 2 which is much less direct for the rider but shortens the bus route allowing OC to save money. Customer service be d*mned.

I figure my travel time will be increased by 15 minutes to go downtown, so there are other places to go, of course, not by transit.
The south Ottawa commuters being pushed onto Line 2 are going to see really horrible outcomes especially given the frequency of line 2 and now line 1 making multiple connections very slow. I wonder what is happening to those commuting from the south to east Ottawa off LRT workplaces (e.g Monfort, RCMP) who currently change busses at Hurdman. If those connections are lost and have to go all the to Rideau Station and then take another bus transit will be essentially unusable.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2024, 9:19 PM
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The south Ottawa commuters being pushed onto Line 2 are going to see really horrible outcomes especially given the frequency of line 2 and now line 1 making multiple connections very slow. I wonder what is happening to those commuting from the south to east Ottawa off LRT workplaces (e.g Monfort, RCMP) who currently change busses at Hurdman. If those connections are lost and have to go all the to Rideau Station and then take another bus transit will be essentially unusable.
Service on the southeast Transitway is being substantially reduced to force riders onto Line 2. This is part of 74,000 service hour reduction and to fill the Flirt trains. This was also mentioned by the lady on the radio. We need to fill those huge trains. Service quality and travel times are a lower priority. If this goes badly, what happens?
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2024, 7:01 PM
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2024, 8:55 PM
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I wonder what the work-from-home situation is like there?
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2024, 2:19 PM
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I wonder what the work-from-home situation is like there?
The civil service is more work from home even than Ottawa though that may be a smaller percentage of the workforce than Ottawa as consults, lobbyists, and the military are all more important employers there. Transit users probably skew more working class in DC than in Ottawa though.
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Bit of background if you're interested in learning more about this increase.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2024, 3:58 PM
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Bit of background if you're interested in learning more about this increase.
Interesting a lot of relevant lessons for Ottawa there. That said, it is a somewhat one-sided viewpoint as DC has struggled and recently raised fares dramatically and cut costs while also getting more government funding. Increased service was a partial sucess for sure but no panacea.

https://wtop.com/tracking-metro-24-7/202...es-are-going-up-in-new-nearly-5b-budget/

DC has such great rail service they can support higher fares wheras not sure Ottawa can. If we have a substantial tax increase which seems to be coming there will need to be some solidarity from transit users on fares. Instea of a large across the board incrase we might need to add some kind of distance fare or charge for a transfer to bus. As we've discussed the fare is already high to justify short trips.

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Old Posted Aug 25, 2024, 8:07 PM
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Interesting a lot of relevant lessons for Ottawa there. That said, it is a somewhat one-sided viewpoint as DC has struggled and recently raised fares dramatically and cut costs while also getting more government funding. Increased service was a partial sucess for sure but no panacea.

https://wtop.com/tracking-metro-24-7/202...es-are-going-up-in-new-nearly-5b-budget/



DC has such great rail service they can support higher fares wheras not sure Ottawa can. If we have a substantial tax increase which seems to be coming there will need to be some solidarity from transit users on fares. Instea of a large across the board incrase we might need to add some kind of distance fare or charge for a transfer to bus. As we've discussed the fare is already high to justify short trips.
While the Metro in DC is fine, I was just there, and even on weekdays early morning their trains were pretty empty.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2024, 9:50 PM
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We were just in the Bay Area. We took a BART around 8.30 on a Monday from the airport. It was 3/4 empty by the time we got downtown.

There were obviously bigger crowds in the afternoon.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2024, 12:56 PM
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Here's what's changing as OC Transpo gears up for the fall
Transit services chief says OC Transpo still working on reliability of Trillium Line

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: Aug 26, 2024 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 5 hours ago


The coming weeks and months are set to bring significant changes in OC Transpo's train and bus network, as the system grapples with persistently low ridership and what Ottawa's mayor has called a financial crisis.

Some are normal fall service adjustments, while others will transform how riders get around the city.

Here's what to expect.

Less frequent off-peak LRT service

The first major change takes effect this Monday, when service changes begin for the LRT.

Until then, the LRT was scheduled to run about every five minutes from 6:30 a.m. to 9:30 p.m. on weekdays. It will still run that often during the morning and afternoon rush hours, but OC Transpo is cutting frequencies during the midday and evening hours.

From 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. and 6:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. on weekdays, the trains will now run every 10 minutes.

OC Transpo has cited low ridership to explain the service cut, saying trains have been less than half full during off-peak hours.

Transit services general manager Renée Amilcar expects there will still be more than enough room for passengers on the new schedule, even accounting for higher demand as students head back to class and public servants add another day in the office.

"Our ability to increase the service with the train is very, very, very good, so I'm not worried at all," Amilcar said in an interview Friday.

Fall service changes

OC Transpo typically adjusts its routes four times a year to account for construction and seasonal shifts in travel patterns. Most fall service changes already took effect Sunday.

That means detours on six routes to steer clear of construction, higher frequency on Line 2 replacement buses serving Carleton University, and the end of summer service on Sept. 2 to destinations including Petrie Island and the Canada Aviation and Space Museum. School service will resume.

A full list of the changes and the routes affected is available here.

When will the Trillium Line open?

There's still no specific timeline for when the north-south Trillium light rail line will open for service. Last month, OC Transpo said it was in the home stretch of preparations that would include a three-week period of trial running to test the reliability of the system, followed by roughly another week of administrative approvals.

But the city confirmed on Friday that trial running has not yet begun. A report noted final construction activity, testing and commissioning were all "well underway."

Amilcar said more clarity is coming at the next light rail subcommittee meeting on Thursday. She said she was on site with operators on the line on Friday and saw "very good things," though she noted that OC Transpo is still working on "the reliability of the system."

"Things are going well. We need again to continue to build the reliability to make sure that we are 100 per cent ready when we say it's time to go," Amilcar said in interview Friday.

The Trillium Line, connecting Bayview station to Riverside South and the Airport, is about two years behind schedule.

New bus routes on the way — but not yet

OC Transpo has redrawn its bus maps, with changes that will affect routes across the city. Some will disappear, others will see significant rerouting, while still others are entirely new.

The changes aim to improve "connections to community hubs and key destinations," according to OC Transpo's website, but at the expense of downtown-focused commuter routes. That includes the elimination of several 200-series routes.

In all, the changes mean 74,000 fewer hours of bus service per year, or a 3.5 per cent reduction in total service.

But the new bus system isn't expected to take effect until after the Trillium Line opens, and the timing for that remains unclear.

Budgetary problems

The changes come amid a longstanding financial crisis at OC Transpo, whose fare revenues have plummeted since the pandemic. The transit service continues to come in well below budget month after month.

The city's long-term financial plan for transit now has a hole billions of dollars wide that could force fare hikes or tax increases, while putting Stage 3 of the LRT expansion at risk.

OC Transpo was already forced to dig deep into the transit reserve last budget, and that contingency fund is now almost all gone.

Just this month, Mayor Mark Sutcliffe called the situation a fiscal crisis. He said OC Transpo is facing a $140 million operating shortfall over the next three years and has asked for federal and provincial support to cover the gap.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/he...-transpo-gears-up-for-the-fall-1.7303234
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2024, 2:03 PM
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Rode the train westbound from Rideau on Saturday with 10-minute headways, and it was packed, standing room only. And they keep serving it with short 1-car trains. Before you ask, no, it was not Pride crowd, just people going about their business.

If you reduce the frequency, at least give us the seats. You have the cars. Ugh.
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While the Metro in DC is fine, I was just there, and even on weekdays early morning their trains were pretty empty.
And the off-peak frequency is often sub-par.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2024, 2:34 PM
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I am not sure how we recover ridership by cutting service. There is really very limited attempts to target new markets like other cities when the point of service changes is to save money. We are seeing capacity planning begun in 2011 is becoming even more entrenched.
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I am not sure how we recover ridership by cutting service. There is really very limited attempts to target new markets like other cities when the point of service changes is to save money. We are seeing capacity planning begun in 2011 is becoming even more entrenched.
I would love to seem some "capacity planning"! Particularly on routes 7 and 12.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2024, 5:19 PM
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I would love to seem some "capacity planning"! Particularly on routes 7 and 12.
At least in theory, you have frequent service. OC policy does not require additional service. You can also cycle if buses sometimes arrive full.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2024, 5:31 PM
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Rode the train westbound from Rideau on Saturday with 10-minute headways, and it was packed, standing room only. And they keep serving it with short 1-car trains. Before you ask, no, it was not Pride crowd, just people going about their business.

If you reduce the frequency, at least give us the seats. You have the cars. Ugh.
I think I actually heard on the radio that the O-Train was shut down for maintenance during Pride. Did I hear correctly?
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At least in theory, you have frequent service. OC policy does not require additional service. You can also cycle if buses sometimes arrive full.
Telling people to just cycle is not a solution to the bad bus transit in the central city.
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I think I actually heard on the radio that the O-Train was shut down for maintenance during Pride. Did I hear correctly?
The easternmost segment was shut down to hook up the systems on the eastern extension. NABD.
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Congestion charges as we cut transit service to downtown? Downtown is already in serious trouble. Congestion charges requires excellent transit to be in place. Ottawa is not a big enough city to pull this off.
Definitely agree. Downtown Ottawa isn't self-sustaining enough nor it is enough of an unavoidable regional destination hub for it to be able to survive congestion charges unscathed.

Don't get me wrong, it's a decent enough downtown but good congestion charge cities have a much higher concentration of stuff like entertainment options like cinemas, theatres, large arenas, stadiums, shopping, hospitals, educational institutions.

In Ottawa a lot of this stuff is located either in inner non-downtown areas, or in the suburbs.

People say downtown Ottawa is congested and while this may be true traffic-wise, much of that is people simply passing through downtown. They aren't necessarily stopping to do stuff downtown. When I go to visit family in Orleans I pass through downtown Ottawa. But when I do that I am not patronizing downtown Ottawa in any way other than using road space.
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