Next 24 hour American city? - Page 6

SIGSEGV · #**101** Posted **Aug 23, 2024, 10:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

NYC is somewhat of a case study in trains versus buses. Just about every section of the subway gets shutdown for a weekend about twice a year for maintenance. When that happens the MTA replaces the shutdown section of subway with buses to fill in the service gap. I've never seen the bus replacement service not be overwhelmed, and it's not for lack of planning. There will often be a dozen buses lined up to meet each incoming train, but the buses just can't easily absorb such an influx of passengers. And even despite the replacement shuttles being free, people will often cancel plans and stay home all weekend solely because their subway line is down for maintenance.

Sure, but don't be buses get overwhelmed between 1 am and 5 am?

Steely Dan · #**102** Posted **Aug 23, 2024, 10:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Sure, but don't be buses get overwhelmed between 1 am and 5 am?

Yeah, I was gonna say.

Buses easily get overwhelmed here in Chicago when they have to shut down an L line too.

But not at 3 o'clock in the fucking morning.

mrnyc · #**103** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 12:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Sure, but don't be buses get overwhelmed between 1 am and 5 am?

only in bushwick when the clubbers cant an uber.

mrnyc · #**104** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 12:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Great call!

So far, for non-bus 24/7 transit in the US, we have:

NYC - entire MTA subway, SIRT, PATH, LIRR and SI Ferry
Chicago - CTA red and blue lines
Philly - PATCO speed line

the free staten island ferry carries around 44k per day and is most definitely 24hrs — aaaaand the most romantic public transit. so that counts for something extra lol.

you aren’t a real ny’er until you have ridden the old school overnite mini ferries with the night workers and post-party people, its quite an experience vs the big regular daytime ferries.

mrnyc · #**105** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 12:50 AM**

dubz

manchester united · #**106** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 2:31 AM**

NYC rules in the world!
https://mic-ro.com/metro/24h.html

sopas ej · #**107** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 3:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by manchester united

NYC rules in the world!
https://mic-ro.com/metro/24h.html

Interesting list!

In my buzzed mind right now, what I'm noticing, not just the 24/7 service, but the whole list, is that most of these cities are Nordic, Germanic, Anglo-Saxon and/or colonies/former colonies of Anglo-Saxon folk.

I was wondering, while pondering why most of the world's rail transit systems are not 24/7, even in some of the world's most populated mega-cities, if the reasons were labor laws, or simply cultural.

As an aside, while the Los Angeles Metro Rail system is not 24/7, Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve, all Metro Rail and Metro Buses are fare-free.

craigs · #**108** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 3:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by sopas ej

As an aside, while the Los Angeles Metro Rail system is not 24/7, Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve, all Metro Rail and Metro Buses are fare-free.

LA Metro ran trains all night during last year's New Year's Eve/New Years Day holiday.

Centropolis · #**109** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 5:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

LA Metro ran trains all night during last year's New Year's Eve/New Years Day holiday.

Yeah, I was thinking LA has to be close to being a 24/7 city. And really is - just everyone Ubers or drives, lol.

veep · #**110** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 5:38 AM**

The 14 Mission bus in San Francisco is standing room only 24/7.

SIGSEGV · #**111** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 7:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by manchester united

NYC rules in the world!
https://mic-ro.com/metro/24h.html

Bucharest has 24 hour rail service to the airport as well.

mrnyc · #**112** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 8:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Bucharest has 24 hour rail service to the airport as well.

yes and they are also building a city metro line there as it seems the train station in town is not central —

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest_Metro_Line_M6

iheartthed · #**113** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 4:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Sure, but don't be buses get overwhelmed between 1 am and 5 am?

They do at 1am when replacing subway lines in NYC.

streetscaper · #**114** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 9:33 PM**

I concur with iheartthed, the shuttle busses are full at middle of the nights even. And I agree that people even decide not to go out [to other parts of the city] if their train happens to not be working on the weekend.

PhillyRising · #**115** Posted **Aug 24, 2024, 11:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

Yes, the PATCO Speed Line runs 24 hours a day between the heart of Philadelphia and its New Jersey suburbs. There is one station in Center City that closes for four hours overnight, but the rest remain open all night.

PATCO and it's service is probably why so many gays now live in Collingswood, NJ who don't want to live in the gayborhood but want to be close enough to be there in 15 minutes or so since it literally drops you off in the heart of it.

Nouvellecosse · #**116** Posted **Aug 25, 2024, 12:32 AM**

What I want to know is how all these double tracked lines manage to have 24 hr service. For years I've been hearing that it's only possible in places like NYC that have additional tracks since that makes it possible for overnight maintenance work to happen by shutting down some tracks and not others. In the case of PATCO, I assume they run it single track which they achieve through the low hourly frequency but not sure about other cases.

streetscaper · #**117** Posted **Aug 25, 2024, 4:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

Express service isn't 24/7 but all subway lines and stations have 24 hour service.

The D train is actually still express in Manhattan overnight. Not sure if there are any other lines like that

iheartthed · #**118** Posted **Aug 25, 2024, 4:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by streetscaper

The D train is actually still express in Manhattan overnight. Not sure if there are any other lines like that

Is it? I thought it took over the B's route at night.

mrnyc · #**119** Posted **Aug 26, 2024, 3:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

What I want to know is how all these double tracked lines manage to have 24 hr service. For years I've been hearing that it's only possible in places like NYC that have additional tracks since that makes it possible for overnight maintenance work to happen by shutting down some tracks and not others. In the case of PATCO, I assume they run it single track which they achieve through the low hourly frequency but not sure about other cases.

here in staten island they board the trains going both directions on one side for a few stops when they are working overnight along the tracks somewhere.

iheartthed · #**120** Posted **Aug 26, 2024, 3:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

What I want to know is how all these double tracked lines manage to have 24 hr service. For years I've been hearing that it's only possible in places like NYC that have additional tracks since that makes it possible for overnight maintenance work to happen by shutting down some tracks and not others. In the case of PATCO, I assume they run it single track which they achieve through the low hourly frequency but not sure about other cases.

NYC doesn't temporarily shutdown local tracks at night, so it will still have the same problem that I think you're describing here. There are also a lot of segments, and even some entire lines (such as the L train), that don't have express tracks so would still have the same issue. I've heard that NYC is unique in how it deactivates entire lines for multiple days at a time to push through maintenance work at one time.