What to do with Radio Canada and the CBC?

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by elly63

....a leftist dominated mainstream media.

Is this the "leftist dominated mainstream media" you're referring to?

[elly63]

Nice source, took you a while to find that, what next, The Worker?

Some nice embedded activism here:

"You can see the results of my research in the graphic below (or through this link for a larger version), which I encourage you to share on social media along with this article."

You also forgot that bastion of Conservatism, the CBC

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by elly63

Nice source, took you a while to find that, what next, The Worker....

So much for civilized discussion. If you think there are errors in the list, feel free to point them out. It's no surprise to anyone that editorials from the major papers frequently endorse the Conservatives during elections.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

So much for civilized discussion. If you think there are errors in the list, feel free to point them out. It's no surprise to anyone that editorials from the major papers frequently endorse the Conservatives during elections.

Makes me wonder why I and a few others were so reluctant to post the past few years and getting deleted. With all these Conservative outlets, I'm wondering how the Freedom Convoy had such a hard time. We should have felt free to speak, wonder why we didn't. I'm doin' a lot of wonderin'

At least we have the voice of the country (CBC) still espousing Conservative values.

[elly63]

I've been going through (and clearing out) old correspondence and papers lately and ran into an interesting one today. I usually only keep old newspapers if there is a personal reference in it or maybe sometimes it might have been a job ad (remember those)

So today i was looking at this newspaper section and couldn't find out why I kept it (must have been a job ad) anyway they had an op/ed about getting rid of the CBC (and no that is not why I kept it).

The piece didn't say anything about partisanship or bias, it just spoke about being a waste of money and irrelevant. I think it mentioned CBC was looking for 80 million more.

So the first thing I did was look at the date. It was 2005. And then I went to see who was PM figuring it might be Harper. Paul Martin was the prime minister.

That's almost 20 years of perceived irrelevancy, forget the bias. If the warning bells were going then and likely long before, what were people doing to try and make it relevant. That was my thought on it.

[Architype]

Originally Posted by elly63

I've been going through (and clearing out) old correspondence and papers lately and ran into an interesting one today. I usually only keep old newspapers if there is a personal reference in it or maybe sometimes it might have been a job ad (remember those)

So today i was looking at this newspaper section and couldn't find out why I kept it (must have been a job ad) anyway they had an op/ed about getting rid of the CBC (and no that is not why I kept it).

The piece didn't say anything about partisanship or bias, it just spoke about being a waste of money and irrelevant. I think it mentioned CBC was looking for 80 million more.

So the first thing I did was look at the date. It was 2005. And then I went to see who was PM figuring it might be Harper. Paul Martin was the prime minister.

That's almost 20 years of perceived irrelevancy, forget the bias. If the warning bells were going then and likely long before, what were people doing to try and make it relevant. That was my thought on it.

I think people who want to defund the CBC, like those who want to defund important institutions like the police, are those that don't value Canada as a country. We don't really have any other accessible cultural institution that asserts our national raisons d'etre, and that is not governed purely by capitalism. The partisan aspect is entirely bogus, and that it has been used unabashedly as a political tool is destructive and shameful.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Architype

The partisan aspect is entirely bogus, and that it has been used unabashedly as a political tool is destructive and shameful.

You deny that the CBC has a left-leaning bias?

You deny that the CBC is a tool for social engineering?

You deny that the CBC is under the control of graduates of Canada's activist journalism schools, and heavily influenced by graduates of the nation's women's studies, sociology and political science programs?

These facts are undeniable.

At one time, the CBC did seek out conservative political commentators, and at least tried to present a balanced set of opinions to the Canadian public. Now, it is all Rosemary Barton all the time. The leftist rage is completely unbridled.

[Architype]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

You deny that the CBC has a left-leaning bias?

You deny that the CBC is a tool for social engineering?

You deny that the CBC is under the control of graduates of Canada's activist journalism schools, and heavily influenced by graduates of the nation's women's studies, sociology and political science programs?

These facts are undeniable.

At one time, the CBC did seek out conservative political commentators, and at least tried to present a balanced set of opinions to the Canadian public. Now, it is all Rosemary Barton all the time. The leftist rage is completely unbridled.

I think it's overhyped. Maybe your bias automatically tells you that these are bad things? I think the "good people on both sides" argument is a bit thin, and has been proven to be so. Informed messaging, and questioning of an outmoded status quo has been mistaken for political bias, and the populist conservative solution is to throw the baby out with the bathwater, killing the medium because you don't like the message. My point is that cultural issues are not true political issues, but are represented as such. Would you rather have Faux news? If there was no CBC, we would likely have a heavily polarized media just like the US. That's the alternative, and it's much worse.

[shreddog]

Originally Posted by Architype

...We don't really have any other accessible cultural institution that asserts our national raisons d'etre, and that is not governed purely by capitalism. ...:

According to this tracking site**, CBC had 9 of 20 most watched "shows" for 2023:

Murdoch Mysteries
The Great Canadian Baking Show
This Hour Has 22 Minutes
Still Standing
SkyMed
Family Feud Canada
Marketplace
Dragons’ Den
The National


Maybe Murdoch Mysteries , 22 Minutes and Still Standing could be presented as representing Canada's Raison d'Etre (though MM and Standing are a bit of a stretch), but the rest? Is that really worth nearly a Billion dollars a year?

FWIW, both Marketplace and National could be shown on NewsWorld without any negative impact if NewsWorld was on cable, however both are "news/information" shows that are comparable (or weaker) than CTC News or W5.

Gem has been an interesting experiment, with one of its premier shows being "Sort Of". Not sure if it is meant to represent Canada or not.



** There may be better rating sites, but this one was one of the first I could find that seemed reasonable. If you have a better site, please suggest.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Architype

I think the "good people on both sides" argument is a bit thin

It's interesting that you used that as an example, a proven leftist lie (see Snopes).

To disavow anything Moncton Rad quoted about the CBC is disingenuous at best and outright propagandized lying at worst.

Almost everyone here proposing change has said they lament what the CBC has become. I will even go on record and say even if they are irrelevant and a waste of money, if they could get rid of the activism and the bias I would consider keeping them around.

The people posting here grew up around CBC from decades past. Contrary to leftist belief we all didn't get suddenly indoctrinated by PP and Trump. This has been going on decades and getting (pardon the expression) progressively worse to the point people are now willing to speak out (about the activism).

[elly63]

Originally Posted by shreddog

According to this tracking site**, CBC had 9 of 20 most watched "shows" for 2023:

I don't think you are reporting that correctly. It said "Strictly in terms of original Canadian content, CBC says they have nine of the Top 20 programs" They are referring to Canadian produced shows.

Of the Top 20 shows, only Murdoch Mysteries at number 15 was from the CBC.

Upon second reading, if you are directly referring to the quote "that asserts our national raisons d'etre" then 9 of the top 20 Canadian content shows are from CBC. That is still way down in the books of the general public with only one program in the top 20 of all programs.

[Bobert]

CBC being a tool for social engineering sounds hilarious tbh.

If social engineering is getting me and my family to sit around the TV on saturday nights for hockey, I have been successfully engineered

And as we can see from this thread, they haven't been able to alter every Canadian mind.. yet.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Bobert

And as we can see from this thread, they haven't been able to alter every Canadian mind.. yet.

I don't think anyone has said they were good at it, just that they sure do try. If they were good at ANYTHING they wouldn't be facing the predicament they are now.

I would have to add, if the activism and bias weren't true, I wouldn't need to post. I am pretty confident who is going to win the next Federal election, it's not a fight I need to be involved in. CBC's outrageous bias and activism has made me become involved, even when the election outcome will likely be good for me. It bothers me even more as I consider myself somewhat of a CBC amateur historian who loves their history (collects old videos) and pains me to see what they've become.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Architype

I think it's overhyped. Maybe your bias automatically tells you that these are bad things? I think the "good people on both sides" argument is a bit thin, and has been proven to be so. Informed messaging, and questioning of an outmoded status quo has been mistaken for political bias, and the populist conservative solution is to throw the baby out with the bathwater, killing the medium because you don't like the message. My point is that cultural issues are not true political issues, but are represented as such. Would you rather have Faux news? If there was no CBC, we would likely have a heavily polarized media just like the US. That's the alternative, and it's much worse.

Is CTV or Global faux news?

I think CBC’s political bias manifests in the choice of topics to cover and the voices they put on the air. They more often than not align with political views of the Liberal party. There are lots of stories about identify politics (the Liberals’ favourite topics). There are few stories about economic justice (that would interest those to the left of the Liberal Party) and no stories about the experience of entrepreneurs or people in rural areas or victims of crimes (topics that might appeal to a conservative world view).

The on-air personalities are rarely conservatives. The few that did exist (e.g. Rex Murphy) disappeared almost as soon as the Liberals took power.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Bobert

CBC being a tool for social engineering sounds hilarious tbh.

If social engineering is getting me and my family to sit around the TV on saturday nights for hockey, I have been successfully engineered

And as we can see from this thread, they haven't been able to alter every Canadian mind.. yet.

That is a Rogers production. If CBC didn’t exist Rogers would continue to produce hockey.

[Bobert]

Almost every hockey fan would agree that the Hockey Night in Canada of 2024 is terrible compared to the Hockey Night in Canada CBC produced.

Another cultural institution the CBC nurtured and cultivated for decades, only to be altered drastically (for the worse) under privatized media.

[Architype]

Originally Posted by elly63

It's interesting that you used that as an example, a proven leftist lie (see Snopes).

To disavow anything Moncton Rad quoted about the CBC is disingenuous at best and outright propagandized lying at worst.

Almost everyone here proposing change has said they lament what the CBC has become. I will even go on record and say even if they are irrelevant and a waste of money, if they could get rid of the activism and the bias I would consider keeping them around.

The people posting here grew up around CBC from decades past. Contrary to leftist belief we all didn't get suddenly indoctrinated by PP and Trump. This has been going on decades and getting (pardon the expression) progressively worse to the point people are now willing to speak out (about the activism).

It's hard to dissect what is propaganda and what is rational progressivism or socially educational content sometimes, but I think we still need the institution itself, and hopefully can work out the perceived biases. I'm sure you would be horrified if we had anything close to North Korean or Russian TV type broadcasts here; what we have is the opposite, not propaganda, and it's more centrist and objective than American media. Our balance in media content is actually much better protected in Canada than in the US, where they dispensed with their "fairness doctrine" decades ago. Their polarized media landscape is the result of that, but don't think it couldn't happen here too. It seems like something that more radical Conservatives would like to do after all.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Architype

I'm sure you would be horrified if we had anything close to North Korean or Russian TV type broadcasts here but I don't think it couldn't happen here too.

Evidently you missed the Freedom Convoy coverage with its talking points straight from the PMO

Originally Posted by Architype

It seems like something that more radical Conservatives would like to do after all.

Nice gaslight, except leftists are already doing it

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Bobert

Another cultural institution the CBC nurtured and cultivated for decades, only to be altered drastically (for the worse) under privatized media.

It was produced by evil capitalists for much of its history they hired the talent.

Production companies

• MacLaren Advertising/Canadian Sports Network (1931–1986)
• Don Ohlmeyer Communications/Molstar Communications (1986–1988)
• CBC Sports and Molstar Communications (1988–1998)
• CBC Sports (1998–2014)

[elly63]

Substitute CBC for CNN and you get the picture

Bill Maher to CNN's Kaitlan Collins: If I'm A Conservative Watching CNN, "Lonely Scott" Jennings Looks Like A Token

Listen to the first part where Maher said Stephen Colbert's audience laughs at CNN being straight (fair) and listen to the very last part where Maher says CNN hosts are like 5 to 1 against the Conservative.

This mirrors CBC