Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[MIPS]

The crab thing, sure, that's drugs for you.
The smoke grenade, where the hell did he not only find one in just a few hours, but also have the money for one?

Remember folks: A baseball bat will prevent this.

[RHINO]

Keep voting NDP and Liberals if this is what you think is a good thing.

[whatnext]

Welcome to Vancouver, enjoy the cheese (from a distance):

No Frills store's decision to lock up cheese speaks to broader societal issues

‘We should not concentrate on the shoplifting and the theft. These are symptoms"
Rajpreet Sahota · CBC News · Posted: Aug 15, 2024 1:26 PM PDT | Last Updated: August 16

An economics professor with Sudbury's Laurentian University says a grocery store chain's choice to lock up certain cheeses and instructing customers to ask a cashier for assistance is an indication of a broader problem.

Louis-Philippe Rochon says the issue points to a much bigger societal issue than simply trying to deter theft.

The signage, spotted at a Vancouver No Frills store owned by Loblaw, shows the locked up 250g wedges of President's Choice Splendido Parmigiano-Reggiano and President's Choice Splendido Grana Padano, priced at $9.99 each…

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbu...ices-1.7295621

[whatnext]

Who does 7-11 think they are, Tiffanys?

Vancouver convenience store locks up drinks to deter theft
By Amy Judd & Jordan Armstrong Global News
Posted August 21, 2024 11:40 am

A 7-11 in downtown Vancouver has started locking up beverages to discourage theft.

The store at Hornby and Davie Streets has locked up their beverages along with cough drops, Q-tips and cables so anyone wanting one of these items will have to ask the clerk for help....

https://globalnews.ca/news/10708948/...cks-up-drinks/

[officedweller]

Back to the days of counter service for "valuable" items:


https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/h...photos-1937495

[SpongeG]

a few stores in Surrey post pictures of "thieves" at their entrances. People don't feel bad about stealing from billionaire companies at all, but their selfish theft makes everybody else pay higher prices.

[whatnext]

Granville seems to be a hotbed of this sort of thing. The dismissive response from the province is pathetic.

‘Knives are normal’: Vancouver store says it spent $300K dealing with crime
By Simon Little & Emily Lazatin Global News
Posted August 16, 2024

A downtown Vancouver business says it has been forced to spend more than $300,000 in the last three years in costs related to crime in its neighbourhood.

The Wild Life Thrift Store on Granville Street said the money has gone to repairs and security.

The latest expense came Tuesday when someone smashed its plate glass windows overnight with a rock.

“It’s the fifth one this year,” manager Nikhil Thayavalliyil said of the broken window. “They just took stuff from the mannequin and left.”

Broken windows aren’t the only issue the store is dealing with.

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Theft is so common that the business has hired full-time security with the authority to detain and handcuff people caught stealing.

Employees are also frequently harassed and spat on Thayavalliyil said.

“Whenever we tell them to leave the store they come over and spit on the person who is behind the till or the person who is next to them,” he said...

....Wild Life Thrift Store co-owner Karla Ahlqvist pins the blame on the nearby former Howard Johnson hotel, which was converted to supportive housing in 2020.

“I don’t think you can go an hour without an incident,” she said.

“Something like someone screaming or an outburst that’s enough to frighten people. Because these people are so unpredictable, you don’t know what’s going to happen next.”

In a statement, the housing ministry said it was “not aware of any criminal activity that has been connected with residents of the Luggat, formerly the Howard Johnson.”...

https://globalnews.ca/news/10702480/...ss-crime-cost/

[SpongeG]

it's happening across Canada and the states though. Target in Bellingham locks up the underwear and socks. Target in Marysville does not lock those things up. Alcohol is now mostly locked up in Target stores or they have anti-theft devices on them.

I see many YouTube videos and stories in the news about how many places if theft is under $1000 or so the police will do nothing about it and people know this and go shopping for free.

Many stores in New York have closed up mainly post-covid, a few much lauded Target stores in NYC have just closed up in the city leaving some newly built shopping centres near empty. San Francisco's Westfield mall is near empty, Nordstrom pulled out due to the crime.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

it's happening across Canada and the states though. Target in Bellingham locks up the underwear and socks. Target in Marysville does not lock those things up. Alcohol is now mostly locked up in Target stores or they have anti-theft devices on them.

I see many YouTube videos and stories in the news about how many places if theft is under $1000 or so the police will do nothing about it and people know this and go shopping for free.

Many stores in New York have closed up mainly post-covid, a few much lauded Target stores in NYC have just closed up in the city leaving some newly built shopping centres near empty. San Francisco's Westfield mall is near empty, Nordstrom pulled out due to the crime.

It is time Canadians stop aping the worst of America. Start cracking down hard on this type of crime like the rest of the deveoped world.

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by Vin

It is time Canadians stop aping the worst of America. Start cracking down hard on this type of crime like the rest of the deveoped world.

Before anyone reads my reply, please say you will not cancel me.

Vin, You phrased that wrong, it should be, "...like an authoritarian/totalitarian countries", no justice or tolerance, just revenge. Do you like your hands.

After ready that back to myself...I'm cancelling myself

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

it's happening across Canada and the states though. Target in Bellingham locks up the underwear and socks. Target in Marysville does not lock those things up. Alcohol is now mostly locked up in Target stores or they have anti-theft devices on them.

I see many YouTube videos and stories in the news about how many places if theft is under $1000 or so the police will do nothing about it and people know this and go shopping for free.

Many stores in New York have closed up mainly post-covid, a few much lauded Target stores in NYC have just closed up in the city leaving some newly built shopping centres near empty. San Francisco's Westfield mall is near empty, Nordstrom pulled out due to the crime.

Police in Canada won’t even do anything if your car is stolen and you can track its current location.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Police in Canada won’t even do anything if your car is stolen and you can track its current location.

yea, in our building we had a parkade break-in with video evidence of two people, the police didn't even bother to get the video as they said the video wouldn't do anything and would be thrown out and said there was nothing they could do.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

Before anyone reads my reply, please say you will not cancel me.

Vin, You phrased that wrong, it should be, "...like an authoritarian/totalitarian countries", no justice or tolerance, just revenge. Do you like your hands.

After ready that back to myself...I'm cancelling myself

I was in Switzerland earlier in the year. Can you make out the prices on these watches? It's in CHF so even more expensive in CAD, yet they were left in a window overnight, with no metal shutters etc. Yet here in Vancouver 7-11 is locking up the Diet Coke. The difference? In Switzerland you'll actually go to jail for theft. Crooks know our justice system is a joke.

[IMG]watch by bcborn, on Flickr[/IMG]
my photo

[logan5]

There's no way that anybody anywhere leaves 200k worth of merchandise out overnight like that.

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by whatnext

I was in Switzerland earlier in the year. Can you make out the prices on these watches? It's in...

whatnext, why did you use Switzerland as an example, now you got me ranting on bankers again.
That picture of luxury watches in a display case or display wiwdow is a slap in the face to Canadian who pay their fare share of taxes.

I'm not sure what the bedfellowship is between the government and the bankers of Switzerland is these days, I know they have new rules on international money transactions but they do have a past.
Rich Canadians have or can (and others around the world) hide their money in Swiss bank accounts to avoid taxes.
Lets do the math, less money for the Canadian justice system and the Swiss government tax (or have a backroom deal) with their bankers for a healthy justice and incarceration system.

Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland
Switzerland has a stable, prosperous and high-tech economy. It is the world's wealthiest country per capita in multiple rankings. The country ranks as one of the least corrupt countries in the world,[127][128][129] while its banking sector is rated as "one of the most corrupt in the world".

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by logan5

There's no way that anybody anywhere leaves 200k worth of merchandise out overnight like that.

But they did. I saw the same in southern Germany. I guess when thieves know there are actual consequences for their actions....

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

But they did. I saw the same in southern Germany. I guess when thieves know there are actual consequences for their actions....

They go home with some valuable watches?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Changing City

They go home with some valuable watches?

Did I say there was no crime at all? Just that merchants aren't so burdened by theft that they feel the need to put everything under lock and key.

[LeftCoaster]

I could go down and take a picture of hundreds of thousands of merchandise sitting in the windows at Holts, does that mean we don't have a crime problem here?

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I could go down and take a picture of hundreds of thousands of merchandise sitting in the windows at Holts, does that mean we don't have a crime problem here?

In Vancouver all jewelry/watches are removed from windows as they're easy for junkies to smash and grab. Though I have heard of whole mannequins near the doors being stripped at Holts and the merch being run off with.

Why is it so hard for some people to admit Canada's justice system is a joke and mollycoddling crooks make life worse for everyone?