Canadian Airport Thread II

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

WS says 10% of its fleet was damaged during the YYC hailstorm. That equates to about 16 aircraft.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/we...l?guccounter=1

Are they going to be picking up any extra craft through someone like Omni ? Without some extra planes over next couple weeks while aircraft are down its going to be a major mess in August - one of the busiest flying months.

[msmariner]

Originally Posted by Zmonkey

Are they going to be picking up any extra craft through someone like Omni ? Without some extra planes over next couple weeks while aircraft are down its going to be a major mess in August - one of the busiest flying months.

Kinda lucky the storm hit after the 789’s had left for the day. That would have been a complete disaster for them if they lost one of them for any significant time. I’m one of thousands of homeowners with significant damage to my house. Not surprising that many planes got damaged. It was a scary storm to go through

[thenoflyzone]

2024 half year passenger totals at Canada's busiest:

YYZ 22.6 million +6.2%
YVR 12,597,563 +7.3%
YUL 10,657,069 +8.6%
YYC 8,789,143 +3.55%
YEG 3,650,153 +2.3%
YOW 2,199,850 +12.6%
YWG 2,004,128 +3.7%
YHZ 1,764,698 +7.4%

Half year international passenger totals (including US) at the 4 majors:

YYZ 15.1 million +10.2%
YVR 6,539,445 +13.9%
YUL 7,646,843 +12.6%
YYC 2,994,212 +10.9%

Half year international passenger totals (non-US) at the 4 majors:

YYZ N/A
YVR 3,334,622 +14.4%
YUL 5,120,074 +12.4%
YYC 1,216,676 +11.35%

[zahav]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

2024 half year passenger totals at Canada's busiest:

YYZ 22.6 million +6.2%
YVR 12,597,563 +7.3%
YUL 10,657,069 +8.6%
YYC 8,789,143 +3.55%
YEG 3,650,153 +2.3%
YOW 2,199,850 +12.6%
YWG 2,004,128 +3.7%
YHZ 1,764,698 +7.4%

Half year international passenger totals (including US) at the 4 majors:

YYZ 15.1 million +10.2%
YVR 6,539,445 +13.9%
YUL 7,646,843 +12.6%
YYC 2,994,212 +10.9%

Half year international passenger totals (non-US) at the 4 majors:

YYZ N/A
YVR 3,334,622 +14.4%
YUL 5,120,074 +12.4%
YYC 1,216,676 +11.35%

Thanks for there summary! All airports (well, YYC, YVR, and YUL at least) have started to see growth slowing a bit, at least based on June. It's just one month so not a definitive determiner of what's to come. But not great for the start of summer, especially domestic of course. It's been months of steady Y/Y declines at all three airports mentioned, don't remember the last time (other than Covid) that happened. International seems softer too than earlier this year. Transborder seems to be doing quite well at these airports, siphoning off would-be domestic or international pax maybe? Combined with strong American tourism inbound, I'm sure.

Where did you get your Toronto traffic stats from? I have ranted about their atrocious website before on this forum lol, and I still can't find anything comparable to what YUL, YYC, and YVR post (and I'm sure many other airports, I only use the "next big 3" for comparison). Looks like you got partial YYZ numbers, just curious the source, I'd love to finally have a site that posts YYZ data, even partial. The stats on YYZ's official site all concern operations for that particular day, with a bevy of stats related to OTP, baggage delivery, waiting at the gate, flight delays, etc. It is kind of embarrassing, like a public punishment or wearing a scarlet letter lol. These stats are basically for airport execs, other airlines, stakeholders, etc., they don't serve the traveller at all. Just a result of the chaos YYZ had with delays and other operational processes, now they have to show their work, like a delinquent student on probation or a prisoner on parole lol. I would be curious though what these same metrics are at the next big 3, although they aren't required to do it, would be nice to see comparisons. And vice versa, YYZ needs to do monthly reporting regularly like the rest.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by zahav

Where did you get your Toronto traffic stats from?

https://canadianaviationnews.ca/grea...-half-of-2024/

[Coldrsx]

Enjoyed my flight with Porter, once I got on it as it was delayed 3hrs out of YYC. Seats amazing, service good, pre-mixed drinks amazing, food above average.

That said, both times I had to call the service centre to deal with an 'action required' with hold times of 20 minutes and 1hr5minutes and both ending up being on their side of things.

So I guess that I would sum it up as the pre-flights were subpar, but the flight itself above bar and I would fly again.

*friends who use them regularly out of Toronto have said that their expansion out west et al. has led to capacity and growth constraints system-wide that they have not caught up with as of yet.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Enjoyed my flight with Porter, once I got on it as it was delayed 3hrs out of YYC. Seats amazing, service good, pre-mixed drinks amazing, food above average.

That said, both times I had to call the service centre to deal with an 'action required' with hold times of 20 minutes and 1hr5minutes and both ending up being on their side of things.

So I guess that I would sum it up as the pre-flights were subpar, but the flight itself above bar and I would fly again.

*friends who use them regularly out of Toronto have said that their expansion out west et al. has led to capacity and growth constraints system-wide that they have not caught up with as of yet.

Be doing my first flight with them on Sunday to Toronto. Looking forward to it. Also looking to see how they deal with the Wheelchair. And If I have to bitch it will be to my BIL since he works for Porter.

[J81]

Edelweiss Air will serve YHZ from Zurich next July and August with an A340. Thats a huge surprise. Looks like 9 fights in July and 3 in August.

[thenoflyzone]

https://airserviceone.com/air-servic...3-august-2024/

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by J81

Edelweiss Air will serve YHZ from Zurich next July and August with an A340. Thats a huge surprise. Looks like 9 fights in July and 3 in August.

The folks in Nova Scotia have done a tremendous job at attracting transatlantic service that punches way, way about their weight. They're the YYC of the east. According to this it'll be twice weeks from 03JUL25 to 05OCT25 on days 47: https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/more/swi...mmer-1.6998898

[nname]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

https://airserviceone.com/air-servic...3-august-2024/

So YVR is +BNA/AUS/MIA, -SJC to give a total of +3. But this doesn't tell the full story though. For instance DTW and IAD went from a single weekly during July/Aug, to now daily and 2x daily for pretty much the entire season, but it wouldn't count as a "new" route as the weekly flight existed in 2019.

Originally Posted by Dominion301

The folks in Nova Scotia have done a tremendous job at attracting transatlantic service that punches way, way about their weight. They're the YYC of the east. According to this it'll be twice weeks from 03JUL25 to 05OCT25 on days 47: https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/more/swi...mmer-1.6998898

WK swap LAS and YVR to their new A350 next summer. So instead of retire their old A340s, they choose to redeploy them for expansion, including YHZ and SEA. But not sure how they going to sustain the expansion since they will be only gaining 1 long haul plane after fleet renewal?

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

The folks in Nova Scotia have done a tremendous job at attracting transatlantic service that punches way, way about their weight. They're the YYC of the east. According to this it'll be twice weeks from 03JUL25 to 05OCT25 on days 47: https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/more/swi...mmer-1.6998898

I'm extremely happy for the YHZ folks. They're getting things that people including myself in YOW want. But I do wonder with all these TA routes, are these frames actually going to fill up?

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

https://airserviceone.com/air-servic...3-august-2024/

Awesome data compilation. YOW should be at 7 when LAS begins this November.

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

I'm extremely happy for the YHZ folks. They're getting things that people including myself in YOW want. But I do wonder with all these TA routes, are these frames actually going to fill up?

Its tourism with many tour packages sold to Europeans. Halifax and Atlantic Canada are a big draw for Europe. Ottawa, not so much.

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by Zmonkey

Its tourism with many tour packages sold to Europeans. Halifax and Atlantic Canada are a big draw for Europe. Ottawa, not so much.

I mean I guess, but it's not like Ottawa's tourism is zero. 11 million tourists come to Ottawa yearly vs. 2.2 million for NS. I don't know the details of the stats though, all 2.2 million could be from Europe and all 11 million could be from Toronto or Montreal for all I know. I'm not downplaying NS' tourism capabilities or anything, I'm still happy for them, but I'm surprised all this TATL capacity is a thing in YHZ.

[Dartguard]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

I mean I guess, but it's not like Ottawa's tourism is zero. 11 million tourists come to Ottawa yearly vs. 2.2 million for NS. I don't know the details of the stats though, all 2.2 million could be from Europe and all 11 million could be from Toronto or Montreal for all I know. I'm not downplaying NS' tourism capabilities or anything, I'm still happy for them, but I'm surprised all this TATL capacity is a thing in YHZ.

Many of the European Tourists are renting vehicles and touring the region or going to properties in places like Cape Breton. The German traffic is very interesting with the Airbus 330-200's arriving three a week from Frankfurt. Not good days to just walk into the airport to rent a car

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

I mean I guess, but it's not like Ottawa's tourism is zero. 11 million tourists come to Ottawa yearly vs. 2.2 million for NS. I don't know the details of the stats though, all 2.2 million could be from Europe and all 11 million could be from Toronto or Montreal for all I know. I'm not downplaying NS' tourism capabilities or anything, I'm still happy for them, but I'm surprised all this TATL capacity is a thing in YHZ.

Generally speaking people are not flying across the Atlantic to go to Ottawa. They do this for Atlantic Canada and there have been tour packages for years sold to people in Europe for the region (not just Halifax). There are cruise packages, over night packages, and people do their own driving escapes out there too. Pre Covid there were Japanese and Korean Charter planes going into Atlantic Canada too.

Look at Calgary, they have the same flight - its not because people want to go to Calgary. Its the Rockies. Calgary, Halifax and even Ottawa don't really matter for this flight. The natural beauty around the areas and how popular they are with Europeans is what matters. For the Ottawa region Europeans gateway is Montreal for the exact same natural beauty.

Look at Ottawa's tourism and who is driving it (I'll give you a hint, its not focused on natural beauty).

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

Awesome data compilation. YOW should be at 7 when LAS begins this November.

YOW winter seasonally will be at 11 transborder destinations this winter, which at this point is technically -1 vs last winter as F8 served SFB. PD are essentially taking over LAS from F8 while their RSW & TPA adds already are served by WS & AC respectively.

AA and DL not at YOW is a glaring hole for the airport. YOW, YEG and a couple of Mexican airports must be the ones in North America with > 1.5 million populations that neither AA, nor DL serve at present, although WS has backfilled a lot for DL at YEG.

[Dominion301]

PD will launch 3 times weekly YQT-YYZ on 16OCT24:

D223 YYZ0720 – 0915YQT 295 246
PD224 YQT1010 – 1157YYZ 295 246

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240813-pdoct24yqt

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Zmonkey

Generally speaking people are not flying across the Atlantic to go to Ottawa. They do this for Atlantic Canada and there have been tour packages for years sold to people in Europe for the region (not just Halifax). There are cruise packages, over night packages, and people do their own driving escapes out there too. Pre Covid there were Japanese and Korean Charter planes going into Atlantic Canada too.

Look at Calgary, they have the same flight - its not because people want to go to Calgary. Its the Rockies. Calgary, Halifax and even Ottawa don't really matter for this flight. The natural beauty around the areas and how popular they are with Europeans is what matters. For the Ottawa region Europeans gateway is Montreal for the exact same natural beauty.

Look at Ottawa's tourism and who is driving it (I'll give you a hint, its not focused on natural beauty).

International tourism to Ottawa seems to be more of the "Niagara Falls/Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal/Quebec City, 'it's Wednesday what city is this?' variety. It seems to draw fair numbers of Chinese. The French were doing it for a while some years ago, but they seem to have finally understood that they were cramming too much distance into too little time.