Claridge Moon [340 Queen St] | 84.4 m (x2) | 27 fl (x2) | U/C

[Mackers]

Any idea of when a grocery store here would realistically be operational?

[DTcrawler]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

Why? There's higher end options in the area already including the Independant on Bank and the Farmboy on Metcalfe. I bet the residents of downtown would appreciate a discount grocer much more. Living downtown shouldn't mean you have to drive to the burbs to save money on groceries. The closest discount grocer downtown would be Food Basics on Kirkwood or St-Laurent at the moment (or Walmart Trainyards).

I agree. And even if Farm Boy on Metcalfe is a bit long of a walk from the west end of downtown, Farm Boy Rideau is an option via O-train. Can probably do the round trip on a single transfer unless you shop really slow.

[Fraser]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

Why? There's higher end options in the area already including the Independant on Bank and the Farmboy on Metcalfe. I bet the residents of downtown would appreciate a discount grocer much more. Living downtown shouldn't mean you have to drive to the burbs to save money on groceries. The closest discount grocer downtown would be Food Basics on Kirkwood or St-Laurent at the moment (or Walmart Trainyards).

I wouldn’t buy meat/produce from Food Basics. So, if I need something quickly or am doing a small grocery run, I’m looking at a 4km walk there/back to Farmboy or a train ride to Rideau. I don’t find that to be terribly convenient (I’ve been doing it for 10 years, so was hoping for that quality of a store to be closer). The Independent is a touch closer, but not much. It’s purely personal.

[NOWINYOW]

Originally Posted by harls

Or Maxi on St. Joseph.

One reason I doubt Food Basics at Moon location is because Food Basics tends to cater more for bulk purchasing. Maybe this is fact or fiction, it's been years since I've been to one. Another reason I doubt is because to my knowledge Food Basics does not offer "store-made" hot/cold take-away meals. I would think in that area a lot of people would be popping in to pick up a meal for dinner and/or just a few items. I doubt many would be shopping to feed a family of 4 or 5 for a week. And to buy bulk supplies, one most always would want a car as opposed to walking or transit. I'm not even sure Moon would have parking available, though I could be wrong.

[BlueJay]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I bet Food Basics would be just a lil' cheaper than the ol' Slater Street Market

Haha. A high end Fifth Ave grocer would be just a tad cheaper than the Slater Street Market. But all joking aside, Slater market knows that they have competition coming in the near future but they don't care as they are a 24 hour outlet who will be selling beer and spirits in September so they still have the upper hand. I bought a loaf of white bread from there today for $5.99+ tax. I cried.

[BlueJay]

Originally Posted by Fraser

As someone living in the immediate area - and without a car - I’d be pretty disappointed with a Food Basics. I was hoping for something a little “higher end”.

As someone who also lives in the immediate area, I totally disagree with your comment. Get out of your chair and walk to Farm Boy or Independent. Or better yet, download instacart.

[YOWhopeful]

I live in the area too. I just want a grocery to open. Any grocery store at this point. Just do it already.

[J.OT13]

Toronto has two urban Food Basics. Will be nice to get one here.

[skyscraperaccount]

Originally Posted by harls

Or Maxi on St. Joseph.

Convenient for me but I hate that location with a passion. If I have the time, much rather go to one of the newer ones in the west end or to the rebranded Provigo.

[J.OT13]

Still no movement whatsoever in the grocery store space.

[ponyboycurtis]

I was walking by last night and there was a pair of tourists posing for photos using this building and presumably its lighting as a backdrop for a photo. So that's kind of cool.

The building is also pretty nice from the street at night. The sconce lighting on the walls in between the windows looks pretty sweet. I did notice though... as per usual, the talent level of the masons is near zero. The blocks and stone weave in and out of each other so as the light casts down its just a bunch of shadowed blocks, so that stood out to me quite a bit.

Still nice materials and design though from the street level. I wish CP 1/4 had this street presence.

Side note... why are the bus shelters outside on Lyon st so dang fancy??? Unlike any others in the city.. they have potlights!!! I'm not complaining. They look great.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by ponyboycurtis

I was walking by last night and there was a pair of tourists posing for photos using this building and presumably its lighting as a backdrop for a photo. So that's kind of cool.

The building is also pretty nice from the street at night. The sconce lighting on the walls in between the windows looks pretty sweet. I did notice though... as per usual, the talent level of the masons is near zero. The blocks and stone weave in and out of each other so as the light casts down its just a bunch of shadowed blocks, so that stood out to me quite a bit.

Still nice materials and design though from the street level. I wish CP 1/4 had this street presence.

Side note... why are the bus shelters outside on Lyon st so dang fancy??? Unlike any others in the city.. they have potlights!!! I'm not complaining. They look great.

Yeah, workmanship nowadays is often suspect. Overall though, not a bad building. Never thought a Claridge project would ever be a tourist selfie draw.

Although the street presence of this one is decent (gas meters not withstanding), I find the placement of the grocery store entrance on Queen less than ideal. Queen is the least busy face for this building. Albert would probably have been best for high visibility from office workers walking north along Lyon, while avoiding the crowds on Lyon. The entrance is also seems flat and identical to the residential entrance (though I may be miss-remembering). Royale in comparison is inset between two stone walls.

I think bus shelters at all three Downtown O-Train stations are of higher quality than the rest, for their high visibility and usage. Happy to see the City invested a bit more for those.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Queen Street, next to the subway entrance.

Floor plan.

http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Im...02-18-0082.PDF

DevApp.

https://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans...appId=__A74FV4

Re-posting some of the floor plans, give us an idea of the grocery store space.





The roof top terrace is pretty cool when viewed from above. Too bad I can't find the 10th floor plans with the second roof top terrace.

[NOWINYOW]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

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Although the street presence of this one is decent (gas meters not withstanding), I find the placement of the grocery store entrance on Queen less than ideal. Queen is the least busy face for this building. Albert would probably have been best for high visibility from office workers walking north along Lyon, while avoiding the crowds on Lyon....

People that work in the area and use transit will probably find the Queen Street entrance more convenient. Grocery store door and O Train access door are just steps apart.

[ogbenp]

The 10th floor terrace is quite nice. Equipped with 2 BBQ's and a good amount of seating and greenery. Only problem I've had so far is that the waterproof furniture often pools water underneath the cushions and gets all over you when you sit.

If I knew how to post photos here, I would take some of the two terraces.

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by ogbenp

The 10th floor terrace is quite nice. Equipped with 2 BBQ's and a good amount of seating and greenery. Only problem I've had so far is that the waterproof furniture often pools water underneath the cushions and gets all over you when you sit.

If I knew how to post photos here, I would take some of the two terraces.

Posting photos is quite straightforward. Take a look at this thread: https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=246386

[ponyboycurtis]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Yeah, workmanship nowadays is often suspect. Overall though, not a bad building. Never thought a Claridge project would ever be a tourist selfie draw.

Although the street presence of this one is decent (gas meters not withstanding), I find the placement of the grocery store entrance on Queen less than ideal. Queen is the least busy face for this building. Albert would probably have been best for high visibility from office workers walking north along Lyon, while avoiding the crowds on Lyon. The entrance is also seems flat and identical to the residential entrance (though I may be miss-remembering). Royale in comparison is inset between two stone walls.

I think bus shelters at all three Downtown O-Train stations are of higher quality than the rest, for their high visibility and usage. Happy to see the City invested a bit more for those.

I forgot about the gas meters. My eyes on that side were drawn the the fancy bus shelters.

I don't try to be overly critical in my posts BTW. But all I could see was how askew each block was relative to each other with the sconce lighting casting down on it.

I hadn't noticed it previously... but when I was in front of Royale/Muse the other day I noticed the entire stone facade on Rideau st. was the exact same way. This was also in the daylight but I could clearly see every block being misaligned and casting shadows from the angle of the sunlight.

As a fairly detail oriented contractor stuff like this just stick out to me immediately and its hard to get past it.

Still... Massive upgrade over the stucco podium of CP1/2. I still fantasize about how that building would look with a stone podium and all the upper cornices being in a similar material.

[jcphoenix]

Originally Posted by BlueJay

As someone who also lives in the immediate area, I totally disagree with your comment. Get out of your chair and walk to Farm Boy or Independent. Or better yet, download instacart.

Yup, likewise. Another Farm Boy saves me a little convenience in time but that's about it. I find both Farm Boy and Independent to be very expensive so a discount grocer would be amazing to finally have downtown for a different price point on basics.

That said, this may be an ignorant question but the way the entrances are set up on the ground floor really doesn't feel like they're ready for a grocery store? Is this something that is easy for them to renovate after the fact? I keep telling my partner the rumours about the grocery store in this building when we pass by but he keeps pointing out how it doesn't look readily set up for that. And someone else who lives nearby told us a grocery store was going in the Relevé space (which looks more set up for a grocery store already), not the Claridge Moon space so I'm not sure what to think.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by jcphoenix

Yup, likewise. Another Farm Boy saves me a little convenience in time but that's about it. I find both Farm Boy and Independent to be very expensive so a discount grocer would be amazing to finally have downtown for a different price point on basics.

That said, this may be an ignorant question but the way the entrances are set up on the ground floor really doesn't feel like they're ready for a grocery store? Is this something that is easy for them to renovate after the fact? I keep telling my partner the rumours about the grocery store in this building when we pass by but he keeps pointing out how it doesn't look readily set up for that. And someone else who lives nearby told us a grocery store was going in the Relevé space (which looks more set up for a grocery store already), not the Claridge Moon space so I'm not sure what to think.

I remember Claridge playing with the retail entrance is a few times. I think they settled with having it on Queen as it's closest to the station entrance (and could possibly use the knock-out panel). It's also the narrower space in the retail unit, better suited for an entrance than wasting prime space. Personally, I think it's a poor location for visibility.

[ServiceGuy]

Originally Posted by Mackers

Any idea of when a grocery store here would realistically be operational?

I think it will take a while. The space was originally developed for Farm Boy but for some reason that arrangement fell through. That means Food Basics would not only have to start from the beginning with plans, engineering, and tenders but everything from concrete elevations, entrances, mechanical, and utilities would all have to change. They will have to go backward before starting development. The other issue may be that Releve across the road currently has a lane permit so there is no space for Food Basics to bring in material. Queen is two lanes with no curb space and Lyon is a major transit hub. That being said, once it does open it think it will be a very nice store based on what the Rideau Metro location looks like even though it feels like passing through airport security getting in (but needed in that area). I'm going to pick up milk and a few things for dinner. Where's my passport?