Federal Government & Politics II

[Nite]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Fat lot of good that does most Canadians when home prices and rents have increased by an astronomical amount.

both rents and home prices are stable or falling in Canada based on the month.

In other news More than 70% of dentists now accepting patients through Canadian Dental Care Plan, 450,000 Canadian have received dental care through the plan since it started in the first 3 months. and 2.3 million have signed up. Eligibility expands again in early 2025


More than 70% of dentists now accepting patients through Canadian Dental Care Plan

OTTAWA—Canada’s health minister says he’s been surprised by a rapid rise in oral health providers trying out the Liberal government’s dental care plan, an increase he attributes to a new claims process dental groups are now urging must be made permanent.

The increase comes after weeks of negotiations — and at times, public squabbling — between the federal government and dental associations, who had been slow to warm to the way the program was initially offered when it first rolled out in May.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...2024-1.7286318

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

lol?

is there something funny about this? Or about the possibility of racist rioting coming to Canada?


what do you mean by "Lol"?

lol . Because it’s the direction trudeau and co are taking us in. As people become more and more marginalized they’re eventually going to get pissed and they will turn to shit like violence. People like marshsparrow and warren whatever her name is are blindly leading us off this cliff and for what? Some ideology they bought into about diversity. Our strength is quickly becoming our weakness. Fools.

[Build.It]

Some time around 2015 pretty much all social equality issues had been solved, so the far left had nothing else to fight for. This is when fighting for equality turned into fighting for equity, and DEI/wokeness was born. Then COVID came along and these douchebags went into overdrive.

Equality = equal opportunity

Equity = equal outcome

Anyhow, the coming conservative wave can't be stopped at this point and there's really nothing that the DEI folk can do about it. It makes them angry which is why they're getting so loud.

We're probably headed for 40 years of conservative/libertarian policies (from all parties), and a new world economic order is very likely to emerge over the next couple of years, possibly decades end. The stock market is currently crashing, the yield curve has uninverted, and unemployment is skyrocketing, so my guess is we're pretty close to the crisis. And then pragmatism will take over.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by Build.It

Some time around 2015 pretty much all social equality issues had been solved, so the far left had nothing else to fight for. This is when fighting for equality turned into fighting for equity, and DEI/wokeness was born. Then COVID came along and these douchebags went into overdrive.

Equality = equal opportunity

Equity = equal outcome

Anyhow, the coming conservative wave can't be stopped at this point and there's really nothing that the DEI folk can do about it. It makes them angry which is why they're getting so loud.

We're probably headed for 40 years of conservative/libertarian policies (from all parties), and a new world economic order is very likely to emerge over the next couple of years, possibly decades end. The stock market is currently crashing, the yield curve has uninverted, and unemployment is skyrocketing, so my guess is we're pretty close to the crisis. And then pragmatism will take over.

40 years seems wildly optimistic about Conservative election prospects.
If we can thread the needle between DEI nonsense and outright white nationalism racism we have a good chance. So far PP seems inclined to overtrun racisit DEI policies but hasn't repeated any of the Trump/Farage racist tropes. Of course he wil be called racist anyway. Being colourblind is now racist don't you know? As is perfectionism especially in written documents. Editing is racist don't you know?

But regardless there is just as much silliness in other areas of the Conservative agenda that we will get tired of after 4 8 or 12 years.

[Acajack]

I think Build It is right that we are headed for more conservative times socially. Note that he referred to "all parties" and I think he's right.

Just as the zeitgeist pushed our conservatives more to the left in recent decades (they even became Progressive Conservatives for a long time), these winds will almost certainly push more progressive parties to the right a bit.

Note that in all western countries we've basically had 60 largely uninterrupted years of progressive societal enchancements.

It's been a good run. Now let's not squander everything that's been gained.

(SSPers in particular should also remember that "this is what what I want to happen" is not political analysis.)

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Build.It

Some time around 2015 pretty much all social equality issues had been solved, so the far left had nothing else to fight for.

While some might argue this is true, there is no consensus on this and the view of many is that things are just as bad as ever.

It's persuasive enough that it's given rise to the woke movement and other associated trends.

Which of course, in spite of all the denials, has a pretty direct causality with the emerging socially conservative shift.

[niwell]

This is a broad generalization, but things like DEI / wokeness messaging adopted by the powers that be (government or corporate) tend to be a good way to obfuscate real economic issues. A shift to a more "conservative" mindset will likely be more of the same from a different angle.

From a macro perspective the shift we are seeing isn't likely to fundamentally change much in terms of Real Governance. Though of course on the ground YMMV, and there will be a new set of losers/winners. The current ire on either side of the equation still stems from real experiences even if the outcomes are certainly disagreeable to various segments of the population.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by niwell

This is a broad generalization, but things like DEI / wokeness messaging adopted by the powers that be (government or corporate) tend to be a good way to obfuscate real economic issues. A shift to a more "conservative" mindset will likely be more of the same from a different angle.

From a macro perspective the shift we are seeing isn't likely to fundamentally change much in terms of Real Governance. Though of course on the ground YMMV, and there will be a new set of losers/winners. The current ire on either side of the equation still stems from real experiences even if the outcomes are certainly disagreeable to various segments of the population.

I've been saying the highlighted for a while.

And I think you're spot-on in terms of how this is likely to go. If you're a conservative you'll see how progressives have been able to obfuscate economic problems and inequalities by waging the culture wars, so why wouldn't you do the same? I mean, the right wingers are obviously already doing it. They just don't have the upper hand in most places, outside of a few US states. Yet.

I hate to pollute a Canadian thread with another US reference, but just look at the illegal immigration problem in the US. Each side virtue signals and harangues the other over the issue, with mostly superficial and shock-value arguments. But neither really wants to do anything about it.

[ConundrumNL]

Originally Posted by niwell

This is a broad generalization, but things like DEI / wokeness messaging adopted by the powers that be (government or corporate) tend to be a good way to obfuscate real economic issues.

I believe this to. There's a part of me that thinks all the political turmoil we see today can be traced back the Great Recession. The economy has been running on life-support ever since, and all the culture war stuff is just distraction.

[Build.It]

My opinion on this is basically a blend of Neil Howe, Ray Dalio, and then what I've observed in my own life.

Peter Schiff also has some good points regarding the global monetary system (sound money vs fiat), but I take his predictions with a grain of salt. (He nailed Japan late 80s, 2000 dot com, and 2008 GFC, but has also had a lot of misses)

[Acajack]

Human history is cyclical, not linear.

This applies to "progress" as well. We can easily fall back to stuff we thought was behind us for good.

[Build.It]

The defining challenge of our civilization throughout the rest of the century won't be climate change - it will be population collapse due to plummeting birth rates.

This has also happened before, and is how many civilizations have ended. Basically life gets so good that there is no need for most people to have kids, and then a population collapse follows leading to the end of that civilization.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Hecate

lol . Because it’s the direction trudeau and co are taking us in. As people become more and more marginalized they’re eventually going to get pissed and they will turn to shit like violence. People like marshsparrow and warren whatever her name is are blindly leading us off this cliff and for what? Some ideology they bought into about diversity. Our strength is quickly becoming our weakness. Fools.

So, you are effectively arguing that we should sympathize with those that perpetuate violence, not the victims of violence?

No matter how much you disagree with government policies, and no matter how much you are angry about the implications of these policies, never does this warrant violence. In a democracy, change is made at the ballot box, not by vigilante mobs. Full stop.

I find your perspective highly disturbing. And there is absolutely nothing funny about it.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Build.It

The defining challenge of our civilization throughout the rest of the century won't be climate change - it will be population collapse due to plummeting birth rates.

This has also happened before, and is how many civilizations have ended. Basically life gets so good that there is no need for most people to have kids, and then a population collapse follows leading to the end of that civilization.

Population collapses have occurred throughout history (e.g., Yucatan peninsula, Easter Island, Black Death in Europe), mostly due to pandemics, disease, famine, and war.

History does not chronicle cases of civilizations collapsing on account of life getting so good that people forgo having kids. This is not to say that it cannot occur in the future, but it hasn't yet. Besides, the causality implied in your statement has no evidence. Japan had a higher standard of living back in the 1990s when its birthrate was considerably higher. The United States has, per capita, the highest standard of living of any large (non city-state/petro-state) country, yet also has one of the highest birthrates in the developed world.