Federal Government & Politics II

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by acottawa

These statements are completely false. Any gains have to do with accounting changes. When measured by third parties there has been zero or negligible improvement on both counts.

Emissions in 2016 were 557 MMT, in 2022 were 547. That is 1.8% decrease in almost a decade in office, and the decrease is probably exclusively due to post-COVID effects (given the drop in 2020 and the increase since then).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...co2-emissions/

Military expenditure was 1.2% in 2016 and 1.2% in 2022. An increase of zero.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...S?locations=CA

BURN!!!!!

I always get a warm feeling in the cockles of my heart when someone effectively exposes Liberal lies.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by acottawa

These statements are completely false. Any gains have to do with accounting changes. When measured by third parties there has been zero or negligible improvement on both counts.

Emissions in 2016 were 557 MMT, in 2022 were 547. That is 1.8% decrease in almost a decade in office, and the decrease is probably exclusively due to post-COVID effects (given the drop in 2020 and the increase since then).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...co2-emissions/

Military expenditure was 1.2% in 2016 and 1.2% in 2022. An increase of zero.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...S?locations=CA

I mean yes, but when you realize Canada had 36 million people in 2016 and 39 million in 2022, the decrease becomes more substantial, about a 10% decrease per capita. In terms of real GDP compared to emissions, it's about a 15% decrease.

2016 was also a bit of a "low year". 2015 was 570 megatonnes, 2019 578. We could also say that the Liberals have achieved a 4% emissions reduction (even greater on per-capita and real-GDP levels) since 2015 when they took office.

2022 carbon tax prices were also not particularly high at $50 a tonne.

Carbon taxes take time to influence the economy and need to be higher for longer to have significant impacts. Basically all climate scientists agree that Canada's emissions are on track for substantial reductions in the next few years. We will have to see.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by theman23

The Liberals responded within a matter of weeks to months by loosening TFW and international student labour rules in response to lobbying from industry. The quickest way out of this problem would be to undo those changes, not promise "more oversight" and publicly mull over things that they might or might not do.

Source?

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by casper

The NATO 2% is a goal. We are getting there. Not as quickly as any of us want. But we are not going backwards.

They've been in power 9 years, moved it basically none, and you believe that they'll get there in just 8 more years? If only you reelect them?

You must buy a lot of bridges and ocean-front property in Saskatchewan.


Your response to basically any Liberal criticism is "No, no, you see, they've announced that it's going to be fine! Problem solved!"

[Hecate]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Hateful online rhetoric like yours leads to real life violence like this.

People like you are what created the anger that causes this real violence.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

It's not that they can't get their sh!t together but rather they don't want to. As you just stated, they are great at signalling for media consumption but Trudeau couldn't care less if he tried. This all has to do with granting VISAS and hence allowing who can and cannot come into the country. This is 100% the domain of Ottawa and they could stop ANY non-citizen from entering the country tomorrow if they felt like it.

This idea that they have to phase in such limitations or study them for years is absolute crap. Ottawa could turn around and stop all immigrants in 20 minutes. In fact even stopping landed immigrants from entering the country is legal. I am not saying they should do that but legally only Canadian CITIZENS have the "right" to enter Canada.

I wouldn't want to bet money against the Courts ruling that PR's, and even those accepted as PR's but not yet in Canada, have a right to come into Canada. As for 20 minutes, does one really want to live in a country governed by populist diktat? It hasn't worked well for the Ford government in Ontario.

[Hecate]

Further more calling out your sides violent bullshit isn’t hateful. If you had any standards at all you’d be calling it out. But here we are. Do as I say not as I do. That’s your attitude and it sucks.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Source?

https://x.com/mattlundy33/status/1820547123735081190

The Liberal response was absolutely to flood three country with TFWs in low wage jobs. And of course, there was the massive expansion of foreign student working hours.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

I mean yes, but when you realize Canada had 36 million people in 2016 and 39 million in 2022, the decrease becomes more substantial, about a 10% decrease per capita. In terms of real GDP compared to emissions, it's about a 15% decrease.

2016 was also a bit of a "low year". 2015 was 570 megatonnes, 2019 578. We could also say that the Liberals have achieved a 4% emissions reduction (even greater on per-capita and real-GDP levels) since 2015 when they took office.

2022 carbon tax prices were also not particularly high at $50 a tonne.

Carbon taxes take time to influence the economy and need to be higher for longer to have significant impacts. Basically all climate scientists agree that Canada's emissions are on track for substantial reductions in the next few years. We will have to see.

The election was in late October 2015, so I was starting from the first year the Liberals were in office for more than a few weeks.

Moving millions of people from low per capita emissions countries to a high per capita emissions country doesn’t exactly give the impression they see climate as anything more than virtue signalling.

[Acajack]

Outside of a few outlets, very little coverage of or attention on the fact that we let in and gave citizenship to a dude who allegedly was involved in ISIS atrocities, and was planning a terrorist attack in Toronto. And that there are probably a number of others like him present in Canada.

But it's summer...

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Hecate

People like you are what created the anger that causes this real violence.

So now violence is ok because of what somebody said to you on the internet?

Keep moving those goalposts.