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Old Posted Jun 19, 2024, 11:18 PM
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Can Canada Day in Ottawa Be Improved?

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Our transit planners argued (and advertised) that trip times would be at least as fast as prior to the opening of Line 1. It quickly became apparent that this was not the case. How could our planning be so off the mark?
I don't recall such claims being made for Stage 1. I do recall claims of time savings after Stage 2. I assume you can share your sources.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2024, 12:18 PM
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Vancouver’s SkyTrain has smelly stations, too. Sometimes It’s good to know we are not the only ones that stink. LOL.

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Old Posted Jul 5, 2024, 3:02 PM
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Vancouver’s SkyTrain has smelly stations, too. Sometimes It’s good to know we are not the only ones that stink. LOL.

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To be honest, almost every subway station everywhere I've been stinks of urine. What's a bit sad is how dilapilated our stations are looking only a few years after opening.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2024, 10:08 PM
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Based on my travels, most any of the issues on Line 1 are not unique to Ottawa. Cleaning and general upkeep should definitely be improved but the state of affairs is hardly surprising when you see the cleaning contractors in "action". The other issue seemingly unique to us is the ridiculous idea to close half the line for two weeks for scheduled maintenance.

Speaking of which, I'm either missing something or OCT's plan for E1 express service during peak periods makes no sense. The closure is supposed to affect Tunney's - Rideau stations (meaning uOttawa - Blair will operate as usual) but the notice on OCT's website states:

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  • E1 Shuttle Express bus service will run seven days a week during O-Train Line 1 service hours.
  • During peak periods, E1 Shuttle Express will run between Blair and Lyon stations.
Shouldn't the express service operate on the western part of the line, which is closed, instead of downtown and eastward?
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2024, 4:47 AM
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'A disaster': Ottawa commuters frustrated again by partial LRT shutdown
The western section of the system between Tunney's Pasture and Rideau stations is undergoing maintenance for two weeks.

Marlo Glass, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jul 17, 2024 • Last updated 7 hours ago • 4 minute read




On an early morning at the Tunney’s Pasture LRT station, there’s little to be heard besides the sound of dress shoes slapping against pavement as commuters frantically dash to catch buses headed to downtown Ottawa.

Then there’s Annie Gingras, who briefly pauses mid-stride to explain to a group of tourists that the train isn’t running.

The LRT is shut down between Tunney’s Pasture and Rideau Station for two weeks for both regular summer maintenance and follow-up work to seal leaks in a downtown section of the tunnel. During the shutdown, R1 buses are running to replace the train between Tunney’s and Hurdman stations, the western-most section of the Confederation Line.

Gingras, a consultant, is heading downtown for an early-morning meeting. She rushes towards an R1 bus before realizing it’s already full.

“It’s just funny, sitting here,” she says before rattling off a list of LRT woes over the past five years.

“My poor kid doesn’t want to use it; he’s scared of being late for school. Especially on exam days, he’s like, ‘Mom, can you get me there?'”

On the crowded platform, Kaitlyn Bertin, a volunteer with the Ottawa Food Bank, says she’ll likely be late for her shift, describing her morning commute as “a disaster.”

Bertin typically takes the train from Tunney’s to Hurdman Station, then a bus to the food bank, but now, “there’s just too many people,” and the replacement bus fills almost immediately. Usually Bertin waits for a bus with open seats, but, if she’s desperate for time, she’ll shimmy her way onto a packed bus anyway.

“I always tell my boss the day before that I’m coming in late,” she says. Fortunately, he’s understanding.

Maria Lima, a summer student with the federal government, says her trip home can take up to two hours while the train is shut down. She commutes to downtown from the Carleton Heights area.

“It’s a terrible mess,” she said.

Lima suggested OC Transpo could try arranging the necessary track maintenance for weekends to keep the weekday commutes running smoothly.

“Either way, it will suck, but I think it will suck less if we do it on the weekend,” Lima said.

Pavel Kay’s commute from Tunney’s Pasture to the Parliament Hill area typically takes between five and seven minutes when the train is running. But, with the replacement buses, it can take as long as half an hour.

The city, he says, has not provided an alternative option “at the same level as the trains,” noting summertime construction and road closures are partially to blame for his extended commute, with the buses simply “not a direct equivalent” to the train.

He humbly says he’s not any smarter than city staffers, but believes “they could have planned it differently,” with different bus routes or more buses running.

A late-afternoon statement from the City of Ottawa’s Transit Services Department acknowledged that the partial shutdown of Line 1 service was “frustrating” for customers and added the network was “being carefully monitored in real time by our Transit Operations Control Centre.”

Attributed to Katrina Camposarcone-Stubbs, the department’s public information officer, the release also said Transit Services was monitoring the performance of R1 bus replacement service and E1 shuttle express buses between Blair and Lyon Stations.

While acknowledging that R1 bus service “will never be able to completely replace the frequency, efficiency, and convenience of Line 1,” the statement said steps to be taken immediately would include:
  • Additional on-street supervisors at key transfer stations;
  • Additional bus trips to increase capacity during busier morning and afternoon travel periods;
  • More signage.

“Staff will continue to monitor and adjust R1 and E1 service based on customer and staff feedback during the planned maintenance period,” the statement added.

Glen Gower, city councillor and chair of the city’s transit commission, says he hasn’t heard as many complaints from riders this year as he did last year during an unexpected, weeks-long LRT shutdown.

“A two-week maintenance window for an LRT is not unusual,” Gower said Wednesday. “But, in the context of Ottawa, where we’ve had so much unplanned downtime, I can understand why people are impatient, feeling inconvenienced.”

With every planned or unplanned outage when replacement buses are required, OC Transpo is “always refining the plan, so the experience should be a little bit better, a little bit better, with every year as it happens,” Gower said.

Maintenance is planned for the eastern section of the Confederation Line between Hurdman and Blair stations this fall, Gower said, and OC Transpo and Rideau Transit Group will try to focus the work on evenings and weekends “so we don’t lose rush-hour services.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...l-lrt-shutdown
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Old Posted Jul 20, 2024, 6:54 PM
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Video of the trains turning around at uOttawa, by using the crossover

This is a video of the crossover switch in action just west of uOttawa Station (between uOttawa Station and Rideau Station) in order to the turn the trains around as a result of the planned closure between uOttawa and Tunney's Pasture.

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Old Posted Jul 21, 2024, 12:42 AM
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I didn't see in the video, how is the driver moving to the other end of the train? Or are they just going in reverse back to to uOttawa and then walk around then?
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2024, 12:54 AM
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I didn't see in the video, how is the driver moving to the other end of the train? Or are they just going in reverse back to to uOttawa and then walk around then?
In the early days of Line 1, a relief operator would board the back of a train at Bayview as it headed westbound to Tunney's. They'd enter the back cab and get set up so that as the train arrived at Tunney's, everything was already set to head back eastbound towards Blair while maintaining the desired frequency. I'd imagine it was a similar case at Cyrville/Blair.

Now that we don't see anything less than 5 min headways, I wonder if that maneuver has been abandoned. I can't remember seeing it anytime recently.

In the case of the current partial shutdown, it's possible this method is being used again, with a relief operator boarding at uOttawa before the train proceeds towards the switch. Or it's possible the same operator is simply reversing before switching cabs like you said.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2024, 12:58 AM
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Maybe, I was wondering if that was the case
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2024, 2:05 PM
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I didn't see in the video, how is the driver moving to the other end of the train? Or are they just going in reverse back to to uOttawa and then walk around then?
Here are the steps:
- All passengers must exit the train at uOttawa Station westbound platform
- An Electric Rail Operator (ERO) for the eastbound direction will board the westbound train arriving at uOttawa, at the rear car
- The westbound train will depart uOttawa, and proceed to the crossover switch just west of uOttawa go from the westbound tracks (Track 1) to the eastbound tracks (Track 2)
- The ERO doing the westbound direction will shutoff its driver's cab, and exit the driver's cab
- The front car of the train in the westbound direction will become the rear car of the train in the eastbound direction, while the rear car of the train in the westbound direction will become the front car of the train in the eastbound direction
- Then immediately the other ERO doing the eastbound direction (who boarded the train at uOttawa at the rear car) will immediately startup the driver's cab, and then proceed to uOttawa Station eastbound platform to enter service
- The ERO that was originally travelling the westbound direction will exit the train at uOttawa Station eastbound platform, crossover to the westbound platform, to await for the next train to turnaround
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2024, 3:20 PM
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I was nerding out on exactly this operational detail and oh god i'm a train guy now?
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From an apparent accidentally-released OC Transpo update on Twitter: https://x.com/dbellerive15/status/18...vEQEDkSr6WmBsA

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Starting Monday, Aug. 26, Line 1 will run every 10 minutes between 9 am and 3 pm on weekdays. Peak-period service will continue to be every 5 minutes.
This change better aligns Line 1 frequency and capacity with off-peak ridership. It will save an estimated $1.635 million per year.
Degrading service is sure to increase ridership and revenues!

Edit: remember when peak period service was supposed to be every 2.5 minutes?
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Hahaha. Wow.

Might as well optimize it to run once an hour. That will save an extra $10+ Million per year.
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Old Posted Yesterday, 4:57 PM
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hahaha. Wow.

Might as well optimize it to run once an hour. That will save an extra $10+ million per year.
delete this now before they get ideas
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From an apparent accidentally-released OC Transpo update on Twitter: https://x.com/dbellerive15/status/18...vEQEDkSr6WmBsA



Degrading service is sure to increase ridership and revenues!

Edit: remember when peak period service was supposed to be every 2.5 minutes?
Ah yes - the transit equivalent of "The beatings will continue until morale improves." .
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If I get to a station during broad daylight and the next train is in 10 min, I will likely forego Line 1 as an option during daylight hours going forward.

Also, what’s their plan here? Reducing frequency a week before the fall semester begins? I know they’re stupid but are they that stupid?
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If this proves true, Line 3 will only shuttle to Lincoln Fields in most hours. You heard it here first. This is proving that LRT has been a dismal failure, delivering often much worse service for many Ottawans. I am now convinced that transit will be mostly unusable for me in the future.
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All to save a whopping 1.6M a year. What a joke.

The biggest highlight of the LRT was it's 4.5 minute service on launch. That was LITERALLY the best part of it, so I have no idea what they are smoking here.

Oc Transpo has an operating budget for 2024 of $767.8 million.

This is beyond stupid.
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The original plan was 3 minute 20 second frequency until they realized that they couldn't get 15 trains on the line every day. It has been down hill ever since. Clearly, the public has given the rail based transit plan a big thumbs down. It failed to deliver fast and reliable service and efficient transfers. This will only get worse.
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From an apparent accidentally-released OC Transpo update on Twitter: https://x.com/dbellerive15/status/18...vEQEDkSr6WmBsA



Degrading service is sure to increase ridership and revenues!

Edit: remember when peak period service was supposed to be every 2.5 minutes?
We need cuts and 10 or 15 minute bus timings aren't going to make much difference in ridership numbers. Those people mostly have no choice. But taking the train from 5 to 10 is huge. I think there is a lot of just jump on the train attitude with the casual transit user. Once it's at 10 minutes it's waiting and you might as well just take an Uber. Bet they don't save the amount they think from this.
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