Central Waterfront Distric | Waterfront Station - CRAB Park - Page 23

logan5 · #**441** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 6:28 PM**

It would be nice if something actually got built here. It’s an opportunity to expand the sea wall, which is a pretty nice amenity for the city. Also, I need a landing spot for my flying car.

BaddieB · #**442** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 6:29 PM**

Wait, why are they demolishing the Granville Square tower? That's so wasteful.

Changing City · #**443** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 7:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by mcj

Glad to see this idea being progressed, interesting to see that they did this pro-bono it seems.

It's described as 'unsolicited', which is kind of weird. I guess Farrell's, (who are doing more in Hong Kong and Shanghai than in London these days, it appears), have spare design capacity at the moment.

It's hard to be certain without a plan, but it appears their scheme builds on top of part of CRAB park and some of the freight rail tracks, which seems an unlikely prospect.

They're obviously not solving the hazardous cargo problem that has sunk development ideas up to now (and it'll be interesting to see if the City's current exercise gets any further on that topic).

They're also showing residential buildings on Port Land, which would need a Federal government change to the Letters Patent that control what the Port of Vancouver can do with their land. There's never been any indication up to now that could be possible.

mcj · #**444** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 7:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

It's described as 'unsolicited', which is kind of weird. I guess Farrell's, (who are doing more in Hong Kong and Shanghai than in London these days, it appears), have spare design capacity at the moment.

It's hard to be certain without a plan, but it appears their scheme builds on top of part of CRAB park and some of the freight rail tracks, which seems an unlikely prospect.

They're obviously not solving the hazardous cargo problem that has sunk development ideas up to now (and it'll be interesting to see if the City's current exercise gets any further on that topic).

They're also showing residential buildings on Port Land, which would need a Federal government change to the Letters Patent that control what the Port of Vancouver can do with their land. There's never been any indication up to now that could be possible.

Yeah it's very much a vision to show off their rendering capabilities.

I like some of the ideas that they bring here, but it's obtusely a fantasy being shown off here. That being said, the city will eventually need to do something with this area so it's good to have another concept to explore.

jollyburger · #**445** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 8:24 PM**

I wonder if they build more train storage track behind the Centerm dock or something N/S near the sugar refinery.

Vin · #**446** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 8:53 PM**

This rendering feels like a Mickey-Mouse job. There is no theme to the new Waterfront buildings, and everything feels busy and messy. Thumbs down.

jollyburger · #**447** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 9:16 PM**

Full res photos here.

The tall tower. Top section is around ~17 levels including that open air patio floor. The mid-section is ~16 levels with another patio level. The bottom level is another ~14-16 levels.

https://farrells.com/news_item/envis...-urban-horizon

https://farrells.com/wp-content/uplo...sed-scaled.jpg

https://farrells.com/wp-content/uplo...sed-scaled.jpg

https://farrells.com/wp-content/uplo...sed-scaled.jpg

officedweller · #**448** Posted **Jul 26, 2024, 11:59 PM**

Poor vision if it requires demolishing Granville Square and replacing it with a skinnier tower only 50% taller.

jollyburger · #**449** Posted **Jul 27, 2024, 5:14 AM**

They had help with some Vancouver people on the project (VIA Architecture and some other person). Honestly the only way I see this thing ever getting built is with a massive chunk of mixed-use density to fund it.

Migrant_Coconut · #**450** Posted **Jul 27, 2024, 5:36 AM**

Offering to upgrade the Waterfront terminal and Seabus could also open up provincial/federal funding.

More importantly, they'd need CP to stop storing hazmats on the tracks, which is what's killed the last twenty years of Waterfront Hub plans - nobody wants a major tower complex on top of a dormant bomb.

Metro-One · #**451** Posted **Jul 27, 2024, 7:56 AM**

Looks good, though the loss of Granville Square is sad. (Though at least in this proposal it’s for a larger landmark tower).

That said, I’m guessing none of this is serious and is just another exercise.

trofirhen · #**452** Posted **Jul 27, 2024, 8:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

This rendering feels like a Mickey-Mouse job. There is no theme to the new Waterfront buildings, and everything feels busy and messy. Thumbs down.

Evaluation seconded. Busy and messy, as you say.

s211 · #**453** Posted **Jul 27, 2024, 4:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbanight93

Not sure where to add this, but some cool visuals of the unsolicited concept for the Gastown railyard at Waterfront of downtown Vancouver.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/down...-farrells-arup

Godzilla's toilet???

scryer · #**454** Posted **Jul 28, 2024, 3:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

Godzilla's toilet???

Stahp

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Now I can't unsee it!

griswold · #**455** Posted **Jul 29, 2024, 8:25 PM**

That looks great and would be a massive improvement to that area. Which means you know there will be a hundred NIMBYs opposing it and council will take 10 years before even considering it.

LeftCoaster · #**456** Posted **Jul 29, 2024, 8:58 PM**

What a mess.

They moved the seabus terminal into the middle of nowhere, are proposing demolishing full office buildings, some only 20 odd years old, are proposing bare bones density, and have yet again, no plan for the rail yard.

These unsolicited planning fantasies need to stop.

officedweller · #**457** Posted **Jul 29, 2024, 9:05 PM**

I would rather see a Cruise Terminal expansion and Vancouver Convention Centre expansion.

jollyburger · #**458** Posted **Jul 29, 2024, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

What a mess.

They moved the seabus terminal into the middle of nowhere, are proposing demolishing full office buildings, some only 20 odd years old, are proposing bare bones density, and have yet again, no plan for the rail yard.

These unsolicited planning fantasies need to stop.

When it gets built those buildings will be 70 years old so there's that..

LeftCoaster · #**459** Posted **Jul 29, 2024, 11:20 PM**

There is serious work going on behind the scenes to make redevelopment of the waterfront a reality.

This is not it.

s211 · #**460** Posted **Jul 30, 2024, 5:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

What a mess.

They moved the seabus terminal into the middle of nowhere, are proposing demolishing full office buildings, some only 20 odd years old, are proposing bare bones density, and have yet again, no plan for the rail yard.

These unsolicited planning fantasies need to stop.

The more you look at it, the more I wonder if the fantasists have even seen the locale in person. Either that or it's a high school project run amok?

It's just bizarre, e.g. demo of the heritage building east of the old train station and replacing it with a modern mid-rise.