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Introducing Huaguoyang district in Guiyang, China -the country's densest area.

Normally building code demands x amount of people need to live within y vicinity of z amount of green space, graded on how utilised. It's such a norm now it's become self-policing as a market standard - people will literally not buy unless they have all the amenities under the developments. This kinda stuff:




However Guiyang, the poorest major city in China experimented with Hong Kong's postwar illegal version, of hyper-density, straight onto the 'street' (largely pedestrianised). It's now become an unintentional tourist attraction, so ugly its beautiful, housing half a million.








Guiyang is now absolutely booming - largely leapfrogging China's industrialisation as a backwater, reborn as a tech superhub.

This is what it's like to live in the district -note how dark it gets at dusk, before the streetlights come on, similar to midtown Manhattan or unregulated Hong Kong.

This has strong Kowloon vibes, though with more space. Traditionally Chinese people -so used to high density in what was the world's largest population for most of history -live most of their lives in public, in the 'Third Space', creating the famed streetlife. Worth mentioning how quiet and dystopian it is on any street with traffic (where the love of overhead walkways take over), but how much busier it gets once you're in the pedestrian streets/ squares.

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So, I adore the Stray video game of 2022. It has a certain aesthetic

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anybody ever been to Chunking Mansions? It is at the top of my list of places to see when I can get over to Hong Kong.

The Complete Guide to Chungking Mansions
I was outside in 2018, getting harrassed by Indian tailors wanting me to buy a suit.
I never went inside and idk why.
I had a colleague, who just recently retired, that stayed in Chungking in the 1990s. He and his travel friends liked it so much they stayed for longer than planned. The inn manager apparently just took a small fee and they could stay for as long as they liked.

I also visited the KWC Park with the preserved Almshouse in 2018.
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^cool. I am fascinated by Chunking Mansions, but I doubt I would stay there overnight (too worried about bedbugs/roaches, etc., infecting my luggage).
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2024, 2:06 PM
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Muppet, thanks very much for that great post. Guiyang....it seems that there is still another giant Chinese city that I had yet to hear about. Fascinating. That sort of density is unheard of in the West in the past 100 years.
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It's now become an unintentional tourist attraction, so ugly its beautiful, housing half a million.
Incredibly fit description. Fascinating. Loved the video too.
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Thanks, the city's quite different to other Chinese cities as it has more of the 'natural' planning (read: not less regulated, but less prescribed -Guizhou is China's second poorest province), which creates quite some idiosyncracies

Check out 9:15:

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Also like most Asian cities, it comes alive more at night than day:

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Just what I needed: another reason to dream of getting back to China. Guiyang looks like a great addon to a Chongqing trip.
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Amazing mountain thing in the middle of the city, where you would least expect it. China gets simcity-4 building strategy better than most places
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china has cool cities, my fav is bagua city.
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No problem, here ya go:

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The Guardian had an article (with lots of great photos) about the KWC in November 2024:
Noodles, AI skyscraping and survival: inside Kowloon Walled City – in pictures

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https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2024/07/kowlooon-walled-city-illustration/

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At its height in the 1990s, Kowloon Walled City in Hong Kong housed about 50,000 people. Its population is unremarkable for small cities, but what set Kowloon apart from others of its size was its density. Spanning only 2.6 hectares, the tiny enclave contained 1,255,000 people per square kilometer, making it the densest city in the world. For context, New York City boasts about 11,300 per square kilometer, while Manila, the most highly concentrated municipality today, tops out at about 42,000.
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Update to lie in Huaguoyang in Guiyang, and one of the most interesting places you can see on the planet.

As reminder, developments like this are pretty much illegal in the rest of the country:

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I'd love to visit Guiyang, and might even like to live there. While greenery is good sometimes, I love the shady, dense, services-everywhere, no-cars thing.
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^cool. I am fascinated by Chunking Mansions, but I doubt I would stay there overnight (too worried about bedbugs/roaches, etc., infecting my luggage).
This is a bit of a necro-reply, but I stayed in several of the many, many guesthouses in Chungking Mansions (I lived and worked in China back in the late 1990s and every 12 months or so had to travel to Hong Kong to renew my tourist visa). Some were relatively clean and well-run. Others...

I vividly remember the first one I stayed at. It was me and a handful of African migrants. The room was literally big enough for my tiny bed and a disgusting toilet. I opened the door and immediately saw the cockroaches scatter. Intrepid young man that I was, I immediately went out to buy the most industrial strength roach spray that I could find (Hong Kong shops are well-stocked). I returned and emptied the entire can into my tiny closet of a room, closed the door, and stayed away for several hours to let my bug bomb do its work.

I returned to a cockroach apocalypse. The floor was an absolute carpet of dead roaches. I found alternative accommodations.
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WOW. Someone that actually stayed at the Chunking Mansions. Your story is so fitting to how I imagined the place to be.



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In 2011, The Economist compared Chungking Mansions to the Mos Eisley cantina in the original Star Wars and quoted anthropologist Gordon Mathews: "whereas the illegalities in Chungking Mansions are widely known, the wondrousness of the place is not."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chungking_Mansions

I can only imagine the roach population in the Kowloon Walled City. Must have been in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.
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