City Murder Rates

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by Crawford

A huge proportion of U.S. murder rate consists of loosely organized crews, usually young black males, spontaneously killing each other for perceived slights. Often something as simple as a social media diss. I don't think it's directly related to drugs of choice.

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ yeah, as I mentioned earlier, drug purveyors (and their related street gang associates) seem to be responsible for the vast bulk of homicides in Chicago, not the end-user drug addicts.

I'd add everywhere, specially in Americas, where homicides are a big thing. Excluded the incredibly high number of gang/mafia related violence, homicides rates would be much closer to the ones registered on the other continents.

Our colonial heritage certainly plays the biggest role.

Originally Posted by lio45

It would be interesting to have the "murders" data separated in two distinct categories: the murder rate for innocent people, and the murder figures for people who played a role in their own demise.

Most normal people only care about the former. Chicago's on-paper murder rate is only relevant to me as my real odds of getting shot to death while walking down State Street taking pics of early skyscrapers.

In Brazil, it's quite straightforward as there is this homicides type called latrocínio (robbery followed by murder). That's by far the most feared crime in tge country as it can happen to anyone, "innocent people" as you say.

Out of the 40,464 homicides registered in Brazil in 2023, there were "only" 953 latrocínios. That would give a 0.47/100,000 latrocínio rate for Brazil, the country with the highest absolute number of homicides in the world.

Another figure we should look at it's feminicídio, a woman being killed due her woman's very condition. Basically, it's homicides resulted from violence domestic. 1,463 in 2023. Unlike the latrocínio, however, that's not easily prevented by increasing police presence, for example.

141 police officers were killed in Brazil in 2023.

Based on those numbers, we could say well over 90% of homicides in Brazil are basically criminals killing criminals and maybe some tiny portion of people being killed by grudges.

[ilcapo]

Originally Posted by fern

Liverpool Metro (1.4M)
Office for National Statistics figures show Merseyside Police recorded 24 homicides in the year to March – up from 18 the year before.

What does "in the year to march" mean? Seems like an odd way of counting?

24 homicides for 12 months however.

[fern]

Originally Posted by ilcapo

What does "in the year to march" mean? Seems like an odd way of counting?

24 homicides for 12 months however.

Our tax year runs from April to April maybe the office for national statistics do something similar

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's about average for recent years in Toronto (3 m people) and low-ish for Montréal (2 m people).

Not true. 47 for Toronto is about 10 or 15 higher than normal for roughly the year's halfway point, but with such relatively small numbers one shouldn't draw conclusions about trends. As has been observed, and it holds true for Toronto, veritably 95% of the victims and perps are poor young black men. Too bad we don't feel comfortable enough as a society to address this problem head-on.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Gresto

Not true. 47 for Toronto is about 10 or 15 higher than normal for roughly the year's halfway point, but with such relatively small numbers one shouldn't draw conclusions about trends. As has been observed, and it holds true for Toronto, veritably 95% of the victims and perps are poor young black men. Too bad we don't feel comfortable enough as a society to address this problem head-on.

Thanks for clarifying.

As in the US no one seems to care that the homicide rate for young black males is disproportionately high and frightening in Toronto.