Broadway Subway - Millennium Line Extension to Arbutus (II) | U/C

[Metro-One]

Considering the stage that the project is already at, 2027 is obtuse.

I could forgive / understand a push back from 2025 to 2026. Some delays do happen.

But there is a point where some accountability must be taken as well.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Want to talk about accountability? Start with the Eglinton Line in Toronto: it began pre-construction in freaking 2011 and now it doesn't even have an opening date any more.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Want to talk about accountability? Start with the Eglinton Line in Toronto: it began pre-construction in freaking 2011 and now it doesn't even have an opening date any more.

Well yes, that project has essentially become the poster child for miss management.

But just because a project somewhere else is worse doesn’t mean we shouldn’t demand better of our own.

[Migrant_Coconut]

And we'll probably get it; were this Metrolinx, sure, be upset, but TransLink's got a decent record of delivering on-budget and (usually) on-time.

[NewfBC]

Maybe they want to over estimate so they can be like the Liberals with the Canada Line and open it 'early'.

Ron.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And we'll probably get it; were this Metrolinx, sure, be upset, but TransLink's got a decent record of delivering on-budget and (usually) on-time.

TransLink aren't responsible for the Broadway project, (or the Langley line). And the Montreal REM transit line has been delayed just as much as Broadway. Ottawa had similar issues with their LRT. Sound Transit in Seattle started building the Federal Way Link in mid 2020, but a discovery after construction commenced that the soils could see a catastrophic failure in a seismic event has extended completion from 2024 to 2026, with an additional 500 yard bridge being built. The Valley Line LRT in Edmonton started constructionj in 2016 for a 2020 completion. After a series of construction delays, repairs and equipment replacements it opened in November 2023.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Well yes, that project has essentially become the poster child for miss management.

But just because a project somewhere else is worse doesn’t mean we shouldn’t demand better of our own.

How's that $US 84bn Tokyo to Nagoya maglev train coming on? Started in 2014 and still not complete?

[Metro-One]

When Canada starts building something as advanced and grand in scale as a maglev train capable of speeds up to 603 km/h, then we'll talk. Or I should say, it's much further along than Canada's!

Driving to work event I had last weekend on a grade separated highway that went directly through the mountains via 20+ sets of tunnels and countless viaducts was nice though. Not to mention the 12 KM long road and rail bridge I can see from my house connecting two major islands together (and its one of 3 such bridges!)

Anyways, there have been no sudden major geological problems or major issues (such as sink holes or jammed TBMs) on the Broadway subway (a relatively standard major project around the world), and the Edmonton LRT delay was 100% due to a self inflicted design flaw that had to be mitigated. Again, this is the most bizarre "what about" arguments to excuse a questionable over extended completion date.

Again, a delayed opening of 2026 sounds reasonable given the circumstances of this project, 2027 (again given we haven't had the major geotechnical or design flaw issues plaguing many other delayed projects) isn't reasonable.

[Migrant_Coconut]

We had a five-week concrete workers strike, which created a bunch of delays further down the pipeline. Japan has the “advantage” of having made strikes illegal; good luck doing the same in BC.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

We had a five-week concrete plant strike, which created a bunch of delays further down the pipeline. Japan has the “advantage” of having made strikes illegal; good luck doing the same in BC.

Again, delayed to 2026 understandable.

2027, no.

2 years delay because of a 5 week concrete strike? Please.

[Migrant_Coconut]

I won’t insult your intelligence by suggesting you believe it’s as simple as “five weeks on strike = five weeks of delay.”

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

I won’t insult your intelligence by suggesting you believe it’s as simple as “five weeks on strike = five weeks of delay.”

Of course not, that’s why I said I’d understand a 2026 opening (a 52 week delay).

But a 104 week delay largely attributed to a 5 week concrete strike? Nope. If that were true I would expect a similar 2 year delay for all major projects using cement. Is every tower project current out on a two year delay?

I’m guessing some of this passiveness towards this delay is just because a preferred political party is at the helm for some. If the Liberals were in power I’m sure many would be signing a different tune. When the Evergreen Line was delayed for a shorter period for a far more serious and understandable problem (sink holes) I remember a lot more criticism and finger pointing on this forum.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Tunnels and stations require several orders of magnitude more concrete than a single tower; a better comparison would be Senakw, which started in ‘22 and is supposed to be under construction until 2030.

Apparently the road deck and “minimizing disruption” also added a few months’ delay per station, which is definitely not a problem when going through the mountains. The things we do to not cut n’ cover…

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I’m guessing some of this passiveness towards this delay is just because a preferred political party is at the helm for some. If the Liberals were in power I’m sure many would be signing a different tune. When the Evergreen Line was delayed for a shorter period for a far more serious and understandable problem (sink holes) I remember a lot more criticism and finger pointing on this forum.

Rather, because said forum more or less never thought they'd ever see this extension ever get built within their lifetimes... and now that it is, they're also complaining that it's not getting built fast enough.

If the Libs were in charge, we'd almost definitely still be waiting.