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Old Posted Jun 27, 2024, 1:04 AM
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Yeah, I would assume so - and that it won't get done until after the north side of Broadway is restored, unless there's a way they can mine the pedestrian access tunnel now without fear of collapse.
There's two knockout panels across from each other. Not sure what the purpose of the second one to the north is for.

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Old Posted Jun 27, 2024, 1:23 AM
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Maybe in case whoever takes over the now-vacant lot wants an entrance too? Doesn't seem like much of a hassle to just walk down the block to Granville, but whatever.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2024, 1:28 AM
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The only thing I can think of is a second exit oriented towards Hemlock.
I doubt it'll ever be used. Even for an office tower, the half block walk to the main entrance is right there.
The PCI residential tower on 8th Ave. would seemingly block a cross-alley link to 8th Ave.
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2024, 1:38 AM
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The knock out panel seems to be in line with the alley west of the Jordans site.

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Maybe in case whoever takes over the now-vacant lot wants an entrance too? Doesn't seem like much of a hassle to just walk down the block to Granville, but whatever.
Shato Holdings owns most of that as 1431 W Broadway, the Province is leasing it for the construction. Translink still owns the east sliver, 1421 W Broadway.

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Old Posted Jun 27, 2024, 1:51 AM
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The knock out panel for the Jordans site is pretty much right at the sidewalk so that connection should be pretty straight foward.

https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/commi...appendix-g.PDF

What the SG station box looks like. Not sure where that opening on the left goes.

20240223_SG_76_DP_Station_Box_Eastward_Phyllis_Thrust_Frame_Elsie by B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, on Flickr
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2024, 1:56 AM
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What the SG station box looks like. Not sure where that opening on the left goes.
That’s the primary station entrance.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2024, 1:45 AM
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A lot of development proposals for the Broadway Plan today. In total, that's 563 units for today. It seems like at this rate the Broadway corridor is going to see more development than any other centre in the region.

396 E 2nd Ave

This one goes right above the M line south of Emily Carr Station


  • 273 units with 20% of the floor area for below-market units;
  • A floor space ratio (FSR) of 6.5; and
  • A building height of 65.2 m (214 ft.) with additional height for rooftop amenity space.

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/396-e-2-ave

2180 W 6th Ave



  • 152 units with 20% of the floor area for below-market rental units
  • A 37-space childcare facility;
  • Commercial space on the ground floor
  • A floor space ratio (FSR) of 7.58; and
  • A building height of 71.5 m (235 ft.)

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/2180-w-6-ave

469-483 E 10th Ave


  • 138 units with 20% of the residential floor area for below-market rental units
  • A floor space ratio (FSR) of 5.50
  • A building height of 56.2 m (184.4 ft.)

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/469-483-e-10-ave

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On a separate note, have any proposals under the Broadway Plan (that were not in the works before the plan was announced) began construction? It's been two years but I can't recall any of these proposals having their shovels in the ground by now.
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On a separate note, have any proposals under the Broadway Plan (that were not in the works before the plan was announced) began construction? It's been two years but I can't recall any of these proposals having their shovels in the ground by now.
1477 W Broadway was already under construction as a commercial building when it was approved (under the Broadway Plan) to add the rental tower.

Only two projects have approved rezonings; 2015 Main in January, and 130 West Broadway last month. Neither appears to have submitted a development application yet. None of the other rezonings have had public hearings yet, although two have been referred and should be scheduled soon.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2024, 2:22 AM
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Just a reminder to properly credit all images and to keep them to a sensible resolution. Maximum should be not much than 1000px on the long side.


The tower at 396 E 2nd is directly over the Skytrain ROW and the evaluator pit extends to just above the ROW. Only two levels of parking could fit, 123 vehicle and 740 bike spots in total for the 273 units.

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Old Posted Jun 29, 2024, 5:14 AM
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Look out megadose of density for the Broadway Corridor.

"Look too Gotham." Where's Superman to protect citizens from stranger attacks?

And then their resident NIMBY who has access to a 3D modeling program but can only learned to make rectangular shapes. "The city isn't being realistic about the street level experience with technical drawings..." Proceeds to make the most unrealistic garbage renderings.

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Just as Vancouverites were adjusting to the idea of a “second downtown” along the Broadway corridor, the city has announced plans to ramp up density even more.

“What’s being proposed are towers equivalent to the towers that line Georgia Street,” says development consultant Michael Geller, who attended a recent open house on the updated plan. “So, it’s three times the density of most of the West End.”


Proposed amendments to the two-year-old Broadway Plan would further increase density in about half the area, adding height and multiple towers to blocks near transit. In some cases, the heights would more than double.

In areas closest to SkyTrain stations, the city proposes a potential five towers per block. Some blocks could allow six towers, says a former city planner. Two-tower limits would also be removed in areas that are within 400 metres of transit hubs.

There are 50 rezoning applications in process or complete so far. City councillor Pete Fry had estimated that 2,000 households a year could be displaced. Last year, ABC councillors rejected his motion to track demolitions and displacement related to the plan.

The Main Street shopping district would also see more towers, as would Fraser Street, Kingsway and South Granville.

The city staff report on the plan goes to council in November. Changes echo the province’s transit-oriented development legislation that set a minimum tower height and density for rezonings around transit hubs. However, the Broadway Plan far exceeds those requirements.

The city’s interim director of planning, Matt Shillito, said that within 200 metres the legislation requires at least 20 storeys and within 400 metres, at least 12 storeys. So, they proposed to remove the cap on the number of towers per block.

“The City’s interpretation of the legislation is that we cannot restrict the number of towers in these areas, as that would mean that some proponents could not achieve the minimum height and density specified by the legislation,” said Mr. Shillito.

He said that policies around tower separation and minimum site frontages still apply.

Mr. Geller doesn’t believe that most of the public understands the substantial increase in density that’s on the way.

So far, the amendments only apply within 400 metres from transit hubs. But the city will also review those areas within an 800-metre radius for more density, which currently consists of a lot of low-density duplex and three-storey apartment housing.

“This is all being done in the name of housing affordability,” says Mr. Geller, who’s also a developer. “But what people don’t appreciate is that these very high-density concrete towers are going to result in rents that are much higher than the rents in six-storey wood-frame buildings.

“And yes, 20 per cent of the units will be below market, and that’s admirable. But 80 per cent of the units are going to be at market.”

Former Vancouver city planner Mary Beth Rondeau asks people to imagine downtown with 30 per cent more towers when picturing a built-out Broadway Plan.

“I believe the Broadway Plan misleads citizens without telling them it will be more like New York – gritty and Gotham – dark, heavy with no new parks, like in the David Lam Park or Hinge Park tradition. No seawall or Highline. This is a cultural shift that the citizens did not give permission for,” she says.


Former city planner Sandy James says the 20 per cent requirement for below-market housing is a figure that should be increased, particularly with so much density.

“The city is exceeding the densities required by the transit-oriented development edict from the province. We are seeing no rationale for it other than this being pushed by developers,” says Ms. James.

Despite a mixed reaction, the developer take-up of the plan has been a huge success. The rezoning applications so far total 9,000 new housing units. Not bad, considering the 30-year goal was about 1,000 units a year.

Ms. Rondeau argues such success should enable the city to take stock before proceeding with towers in low-density neighbourhoods that could do more harm than good.

There are more than 100 proposed rezonings that are at the enquiry stage, so the number of formal rezoning applications will continue to grow.

“The city has kind of figured out what’s working and what’s not from an economic standpoint and what developers need, and the feedback,” says broker Mark Goodman, who specializes in apartment building sales.

Commercial broker Ian Brackett says lifting the limit will open development opportunities to those who want to sell or redevelop.

“It’s actually pretty amazing how many proposals have been submitted already,” says Mr. Brackett. “I think a big part of that is people that are worried about being left out, so they are rushing to get their application in.

“The two tower maximum has been a huge limiting factor for a lot of property owners in terms of moving ahead and selling their property or trying to rezone their property. We have had a lot of property owners come to us and we look at it, and there are already two towers being proposed, and so there is essentially nothing for them to do there. So, it’s going to open up a lot more potential redevelopment sites,” says Mr. Brackett.

Urban designer Erick Villagomez is a University of B.C. instructor. He and other tech experts have been creating animated models of the Broadway plan to help citizens understand the implications. He says the technology is available to the city as well, and it could be used to fully illustrate the upcoming density. Instead, the public is getting reports that are difficult to understand, even by planning professionals. And the city’s diagrams don’t convey the street-level experience, he says. He’s sharing their Broadway Plan updates on his Instagram page @bettercitiesyvr.

“It is very difficult to get that sense without the proper visualizations,” says Mr. Villagomez. “I can have my opinion but ultimately the way I see it is the people of Vancouver, the citizenry, should have enough information to make a decision on their own. It might not be a decision I agree with, but with a democratic process, people should have the information – and right now that’s not happening.”


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Old Posted Jun 29, 2024, 5:32 AM
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COV on the Broadway Plan changes

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For Centres, the City is proposing to completely remove all tower limits, which the City says is a change that will not have much of a real-world effect because typical blocks are unable to accommodate more than three towers anyway, due to their size and the City's tower separation requirements.

For Residential Areas, the City is proposing to remove tower limits for blocks within 400 metres of SkyTrain stations (Tier 1 and Tier 2 sites, as defined by the Province) and block faces just off Broadway that are adjacent to Centres. This change, the City says, would allow more housing to be built in areas with easy access to transit, shops, services, and amenities.
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Aside from the maximum amount of towers allowed, the Broadway Plan also specifies maximum heights for different locations and building types. It leaves some room for modest increases in height for large sites and/or sites that provide public open space, but the City is now proposing a change that would allow for further flexibility.

The change would allow for up to five additional storeys on larger sites and this would also allow for more public space on the ground level, because developers can use the density vertically rather than horizontally. The City says it expects no additional height to be required in most cases and that one or two storeys would be more common.

"That's not strictly in response to the provincial legislation," says Shillito. "That's more something we've learned through the early projects we've seen, where there are some big sites where it's difficult to achieve the design and density to make the projects work within the 20 storeys, so we're allowing some increases there on those kind of sites. That's something we're doing of our own volition."
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Of the eight areas, the South Granville and Main Street village areas would see the most significant change in allowable height and density, as they are in close proximity to the upcoming South Granville Station and Mount Pleasant Station. The area that would see the biggest change in terms of the types of uses is the area near the Cambie Bridge — the area where Shillito says residential options are being introduced.
"We had a couple of village areas that are right next to transit — South Granville, Main Street — where we [previously] deliberately kept heights and densities low to try to maintain that village character and the characteristics of the local shopping streets that we heard people really appreciated, and to somewhat limit development pressure on those areas where there is a lot of existing small local businesses and a risk of displacement," said Shillito. "Those areas we need to adjust in order to enable heights and densities in line with the Province."
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At the moment, the City says it has received 49 rezoning applications for sites in the Broadway Plan Area, with seven approved and four under construction. Those 49 applications total to 9,080 residential units, nearly all of which are market or below-market rental units. As for non-residential units, a total of 3 million sq. ft of employment space has either been proposed or approved.
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Look out megadose of density for the Broadway Corridor.

"Look too Gotham." Where's Superman to protect citizens from stranger attacks?

And then their resident NIMBY who has access to a 3D modeling program but can only learned to make rectangular shapes. "The city isn't being realistic about the street level experience with technical drawings..." Proceeds to make the most unrealistic garbage renderings.
It's great that someone is providing these images of what the area will look like once all the office towers have been built to replace the walk-up apartments.

And who knew that all the 17-21 storey buildings that have been submitted so far are really all over 40 storeys, and all the balconies will fall off?
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Shocker, when you use the most unattractive tower design possible, and put them far closer together than the plan it allows, and then lie about the number of stories allowed(second tower appears to be about 40 floors), you get a scary picture.

Tbh I would consider this image straight up libellous based on the tower heights alone. I'm glad the article didn't include it, as it probably would have needed a disclaimer for all the misleading aspects of ti.
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Look out megadose of density for the Broadway Corridor.

"Look too Gotham." Where's Superman to protect citizens from stranger attacks?

And then their resident NIMBY who has access to a 3D modeling program but can only learned to make rectangular shapes. "The city isn't being realistic about the street level experience with technical drawings..." Proceeds to make the most unrealistic garbage renderings.





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Something tells me these critics all live in detached homes with at least 3 spare bedrooms on the West Side AKA out of touch.
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Something tells me these critics all live in detached homes with at least 3 spare bedrooms on the West Side AKA out of touch.
Even worse:
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Even worse:
She went to live off the grid and wants everyone in Vancouver to follow suit.
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Hard pass. I like groceries and movies too much. But hey, at least she's not a hypocrite about it.
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Yesterday i was in Broadway, i walked from the Cambie bridge to the Broadway station and then walked all through granville.
  • The first thing i noticed was that Cambie had several homeless people sleeping in front of businesses. The intersection between cambie and broadway is definitely messy right now, maybe that's why?
  • Also, it's really strange to see the line between old and new developments. Basically you have perfect sidewalks and everything until the photography store and then only very old buildings and abandoned stuff. Like, i understand that redevelopment is random but in this case there's already a precise line between new/old. And seems like majority of current planned redevelopment are not on Broadway itself so i'm really not sure about the future of this street.
  • Even on the new part i had the feeling that there were a lot of sketchy people. Downtown have them too of course but i don't know why something seemed off there.
  • The noise. Yesterday i had the confirmation that this whole area will not go anywhere they want to until they separate car lanes from sidewalks. It was all incredibly messy, cars were very loud, i had the constant feeling to be in the middle of the road even when i was eating in a place there. And the sun was unbearable in combination with all of that, they need to double the greenery if they want people to even consider walking there.

For now i definitely don't like the area. I can see the potential but they need to take very strong decisions here.
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Broadway has always been a messy, sometimes ugly, and underutilized road.

Post COVID, there's been more homelessness and people suffering from mental issues around, but it's gotten better since 2022. I don't see as much open drug use around Cambie and Broadway as I did two years ago. The road definitely needs more trees and greenery in general.

It's going to take a long time for Broadway to reach its full potential.
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