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View Poll Results: How many people will inhabit the Winnipeg CMA in 2026?
850,000-874,999 4 9.09%
875,000-889,000 9 20.45%
890,000-904,999 17 38.64%
905,000+ 14 31.82%
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Old Posted May 30, 2024, 12:01 PM
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You mean Fargo.



By that logic, let's include NWO, including Kenora and Dryden.

I'm sure Thunder Bay wants to join too, but they're better off pairing up with Sudbury instead.
The glorious Manitoban Empire expands further and further.
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If we added the ~20k from Steinbach, we could be at a million within the next 12-24 months 👍
Another 20,000 in RM of Hanover.
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Interesting take from the Statistic Canada Thread in the Canada section.

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The last population estimates from July 1, 2023 are interesting to look at, and I have been pleased to read all of this thead. What is even more interesting, though, is that after the (vast and expensive) consultation that were held a few years before last census (2021), which I have taken part of, Statistics Canada have decided to maintain its census metropolitan area delineation method, rather than update to a method that is becoming standard worldwide, the Functional Urban Areas (developed in collaboration with OECD and EU).

Basically, this method is simple : there are urban centres or "cities" which are defined as continuous built-up spaces. All the municipalities where most of the population live in that continuous built-up space are considered part of the "city" (in other words, the urban core). There are thresholds for size, which are based on the number of jobs, density and population of said cores. For example, the core of a functional urban area of greater importance consists of a conurbation of at least 50k population, 10k jobs and 1500ppl/sqkm. There are many sources online where you can find the detail for this method. There is then a threshold of 15% commuting between "cities". It a city sends more than 15% of its working population to another city, it is considered as a secondary "urban core" of this second city. You understand that there is no such thing as Hamilton, Oshawa, Abbotsford, Valleyfield, etc. with this method. Which is the interesting part.

The delineation method that is used in Canada for CMAs is pretty much unique worldwide, which limits comparisons when it comes to urban matters (public health, urban growth, urban sprawl, etc.) I am a researcher attached to the Urban development chair at UdeM. For most of our analysis, we use, for Canada, the data for Functional Urban Areas (Aires d'attraction des villes en français). We can therefore do some comparisons with european cities, for example. We work closely with Statistics Canada : they provide us with the granular data (ex.: census blocks, attributes, etc., which are all public by the way), and mostly, the number of jobs by census block.

Anyway, as we keep track of this data, I thought I'd share it with you, in order to add another perspective when it comes to comparing urban areas in Canada. I will be glad to answer your questions, even though demographics is not my field of study - I work in environmental geography, landscape and cultural heritage. I may have to ask colleagues before being able to come back to you.


So, according to the July 1st 2023 estimates that were released recently, Canada's main Functional Urban Areas are :

Position. Population. Name

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1.   8 854 488   Toronto, ON
2.   4 925 560   Montréal, QC
3.   3 342 027   Vancouver, BC
4.   1 787 183   Calgary, AB
5.   1 745 823   Ottawa / Gatineau, ON/QC
6.   1 597 116   Edmonton, AB
7.   1 005 982   Québec, QC
8.     998 548   Winnipeg, MB
9.     683 300   Kitchener / Cambridge / Waterloo, ON
10.    682 528   London, ON
11.    552 728   Halifax, NS
12.    453 695   Victoria, BC
13.    441 736   St. Catharines / Niagara Falls, ON
14.    434 729   Windsor, ON
15.    371 640   Saskatoon, SK
16.    291 198   Sherbrooke, QC
17.    290 871   Regina, SK
18.    253 027   St. John's, NL
19.    246 789   Kelowna, BC
20.    240 197   Moncton, NB
21.    235 600   Kingston, ON
22.    214 141   Guelph, ON
23.    213 244   Trois-Rivières, QC
24.    204 585   Red Deer, AB
25.    192 723   Sudbury, ON
26.    182 072   Saguenay, QC
27.    171 685   Belleville / Trenton, ON
28.    154 156   Lethbridge, AB
29.    152 330   Fredericton, NB
30.    151 501   Peterborough, ON
31.    149 516   Nanaimo, BC
32.    146 943   Saint John, NB
33.    132 733   Kamloops, BC
34.    131 212   Thunder Bay, ON
35.    129 190   Drummondville, QC
36.    122 182   Granby, QC
37.    116 452   Sarnia, ON
38.    113 755   Charlottetown, PE
39.    113 238   Chatham-Kent, ON
40.    111 033   Sydney (Cape Breton), NS
41.    104 789   Joliette, QC
42.    101 444   North Bay, ON
43.    100 484   Saint-Hyacinthe, QC
44.    100 006   Grande Prairie, AB
A few remarks :
  • There is a problem with the inconsistency of census subdivisions, espacially in BC and AB, where immense municipal districts create municipal enclaves within them. The urban areas in these 2 provinces, especially Alberta, tend to grow add no municipality for a few censuses, and then add like 10 or 15 in one census, because the sum of commuting worker for a whole municipal district and all of its enclaves combined reaches 15%. The same problem is experienced with the official Statistics Canada method.
  • The Toronto FUA (functional urban area) comprises Hamilton, Oshawa, Barrie, Milton and Brantford, which are all secondary cores of category A. The statiscal "city" of Brantford sends 15,33% of its working population to Toronto and adjacent municipalities.
  • In Vancouver, Abbotsford (A), Mission (C) and Chilliwack (B) are all considered as secondary cores.
  • For Montreal, Saint-Jérôme (A), Salaberry-de-Valleyfield (B) and Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu (B) are also considered as secondary cores. Saint-Hyacinthe, Sorel and Joliette are not close to become secondary cores.
  • Outside of the larger 3 agglomerations, we note that Shawinigan, QC is only at 1,01% of commuting to becoming a secondary core to Trois-Rivières. We consider them separate for now. It is also interesting that Louiseville, a C-category "city", is now at 13.7% commuting to Trois-Rivières. But outside of the suburban world, these stats tend to take time to increase, and honestly, we would prefer not to see it happen.
  • Sainte-Marie, QC sends 13.21% of its working force to Québec, QC. Seeing the growth of this rate in the last 2 censuses, the "city" should join QC in 5 or 10 years.
  • Airdrie, AB, is a secondary core to Calgary (46% of commuting)
  • Guelph, ON, is closer to be added to the FUA of Toronto (8,7% of commuting) than it is to join KCW (4,0% of commuting). Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo is not even close to join Toronto either (3.64% of commuting); it is still fairly independent.
  • Vernon, BC and Kelowna are not close to merge.
  • Cobourg, ON will not likely be integrated soon to Toronto, but it is getting closer (11% commuting). So is Midland (11% also). Brighton could eventually be integrated to Belleville-Trenton, but is not close enough for now (10.5%).
  • Alma, QC could eventually join Saguenay, but it will take some time (understand : decades) (11% commuting). If Sorel grows more, it could also eventually be added to Montreal, but recent trends suggest otherwise (10%). Same goes for Coaticook to Sherbrooke (10.3%), and Cowansville to Granby (10%).
  • Shediac is already integrated into the Moncton FUA (44% commuting for the combined town and parish).

I hope it was informative. Don't forget : these are all just stats, and they mostly are useful to compare apples to apples. This is not a popularity contest or an indicator of greatness.
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While the simpletons cheer…. traffic across the city worsens, which directly affects business and reduces productivity, not to mention reduces your quality of life because everyone is sitting in more traffic creating even more pollution! HURRAY!
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A growing city is good for the local economy, that said we have not made any corresponding upgrades to our road and transit infrastructure.
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While the simpletons cheer….
Wow. "Simpletons"

I guess we should cancel all light hearted conversations on this web site.

This is probably one of the only remotely fun threads on here that allow people to speculate without being blasted for an opinion...until now.
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Wow. "Simpletons"

I guess we should cancel all light hearted conversations on this web site.

This is probably one of the only remotely fun threads on here that allow people to speculate without being blasted for an opinion...until now.
Some people can't help but being the fun police, usually it's because they want to be the smartest and/or most prominent person in the room.
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Hey Winnipeg 1 million! Seems a bit of a stretch to include places like Hamilton with Toronto. But I get the connection and how the FUA takes more of that into account.
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Some people can't help but being the fun police, usually it's because they want to be the smartest and/or most prominent person in the room.
That could be it, or it could be the saying "misery loves company" in action. "I ain't no psychiatrist, ain't no doctor with a degree"... but my guess is the haters demand everyone to be like them. Those who refuse get trashed. It seems to be a weird "how dare you like something I hate" vibe.
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I think it's great Winnipeg is growing. Though I have to say I really wish the immigrants we were bringing came from more diverse sources instead of the same one or two groups, which there are already alot of. Also, if we want to avoid the high sky cost of living that other provinces are facing we need to build more housing, in the inner city. There is no reason to have so many vacant lots and abandoned homes in central areas and in the north end.

I look forward to having a million residents in this great city.
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We are number 2 this quarter for growth of the provinces (excl territories).

Over 4 quarters that is 2.6% growth for Manitoba.

Population estimates, quarterly (statcan.gc.ca)

Jurisdiction Q1 2024 Q2 2024 %Increase
Alberta (map) 4,800,768 4,849,906 1.02%
Manitoba (map) 1,474,439 1,484,135 0.66%
British Columbia 5,609,870 5,646,467 0.65%
Canada (map) 40,769,89041,012,563 0.60%
New Brunswick  846,190 850,894 0.56%
Ontario (map) 15,911,285 15,996,989 0.54%
Prince Edward 176,162 177,081 0.52%
Quebec (map) 8,984,918 9,030,684 0.51%
Saskatchewan ) 1,225,493 1,231,043 0.45%
Nova Scotia  1,069,364 1,072,545 0.30%
Newfoundland and Labrador 540,552 541,391 0.16%
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What does that mean in terms of the Winnipeg CMA? The number is like 63% of the population of the Province roughly? So like 935k?
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What does that mean in terms of the Winnipeg CMA? The number is like 63% of the population of the Province roughly? So like 935k?
It's slightly under 63% when I calculated.

Until 2022, the Winnipeg metro area had roughly 61.9% of Manitoba residents. This has increased nearly a whole percentage point, since the massive influx of new Canadians. My guess (and I am sure statisticians can back me up), is that probably over 75% of new Canadians are settling in the Winnipeg CMA.

It's definitely going to eclipse 940,000 when the 2024 estimates come out early next year.
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I think it's great Winnipeg is growing. Though I have to say I really wish the immigrants we were bringing came from more diverse sources instead of the same one or two groups, which there are already alot of.
TBH though it might actually better to have immigration into existing clusters.

If you come to Winnipeg from Philippines, Ukraine, India, China, etc., you're likely to arrive somewhere where there are communities to help with resettlement, local grocery stores stocking familiar foods, existing religious and cultural centres, networks/connections to help with employment, etc. All the things that make settling in somewhere and adjusting easier.
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TBH though it might actually better to have immigration into existing clusters.

If you come to Winnipeg from Philippines, Ukraine, India, China, etc., you're likely to arrive somewhere where there are communities to help with resettlement, local grocery stores stocking familiar foods, existing religious and cultural centres, networks/connections to help with employment, etc. All the things that make settling in somewhere and adjusting easier.
I get the sentiment but we seriously need to crush the rampant enclaving happening in this country.
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Interesting to also see us inching closer to parity/ net positive interprovincial migration as well. A net loss of 600 Q1 2024 which looks to be the best since Q1 2022 (over the last 5 years). It could be an outlier like Q1 2022 but I am really interested to see the Q2 numbers when out, to see if more of a trend starts to develop. But the eye test on the numbers suggests we are beginning to see a decrease in out-migrants and in-migrants increasing. Given the climates elsewhere in the country this could be something we see more of.
Statistics Canada. Table 17-10-0020-01 Estimates of the components of interprovincial migration, quarterly
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Interesting to also see us inching closer to parity/ net positive interprovincial migration as well. A net loss of 600 Q1 2024 which looks to be the best since Q1 2022 (over the last 5 years). It could be an outlier like Q1 2022 but I am really interested to see the Q2 numbers when out, to see if more of a trend starts to develop. But the eye test on the numbers suggests we are beginning to see a decrease in out-migrants and in-migrants increasing. Given the climates elsewhere in the country this could be something we see more of.
Statistics Canada. Table 17-10-0020-01 Estimates of the components of interprovincial migration, quarterly
Interprovinceial migration usually slows when an NDP Government runs the province.
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TBH though it might actually better to have immigration into existing clusters.

If you come to Winnipeg from Philippines, Ukraine, India, China, etc., you're likely to arrive somewhere where there are communities to help with resettlement, local grocery stores stocking familiar foods, existing religious and cultural centres, networks/connections to help with employment, etc. All the things that make settling in somewhere and adjusting easier.
The communities you mention already have big populatons here. WHat about everyone else? Besides aren't we supposed to intergrate? We are seeing rental ads in other places that say "indians only". How is that good for society?
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I get the sentiment but we seriously need to crush the rampant enclaving happening in this country.

Too late for that.
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Too late for that.
It could be lessened with actual diversity quotas. Say no more than 10% of visas in a year can be issued to the same country's citizens. So if we're issuing 200,000 visas in a year, no more than 20,000 can go to India, the Phillipines, Germany, USA, Nigeria, et al.
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