Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Vin]

Maybe I spoke too early??

32-year-old man found dead with stab wounds in East Vancouver
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/east-vancouver-homicide

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Maybe I spoke too early??

Yeah, curious why you aren't shitting all over Sim and ABC the way you did with the previous council.

[kja384]

Originally Posted by Vin

Maybe I spoke too early??

Damn. Guy was a popular chef walking home from work when he was randomly attacked.
No arrests made yet, hopefully the police get him soon. Wonder if he will reoffend like what we saw in White Rock.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by kja384

Damn. Guy was a popular chef walking home from work when he was randomly attacked.
No arrests made yet, hopefully the police get him soon. Wonder if he will reoffend like what we saw in White Rock.

How do the police know he was randomly attacked?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Yeah, curious why you aren't shitting all over Sim and ABC the way you did with the previous council.

Cuz they are still way better than their predecessors. But if you are too blind to see anything, I digress.

BTW, ABC's takeover does not automatically make as*holes and murderers disappear overnight, as is evident here.

Originally Posted by kja384

Damn. Guy was a popular chef walking home from work when he was randomly attacked.
No arrests made yet, hopefully the police get him soon. Wonder if he will reoffend like what we saw in White Rock.

Yeah, at Yaletown's Hapa Izakaya. Great loss indeed!

[whatnext]

Very sad. The details here:

Chinatown fatal stabbing victim identified as Japanese citizen
By Charlie Carey

Posted June 6, 2024 9:32 am. Last Updated June 6, 2024 12:54 pm.
The victim of an early morning fatal stabbing in Vancouver’s Chinatown neighbourhood was a Japanese citizen.

The Vancouver Police Department said its officers were called just before 3:30 a.m. Wednesday after reports a man was in “medical distress” on Union Street, just west of Main Street....

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/06/06/vancouver-chinatown-stabbing-victim-japanese/

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by kja384

Damn. Guy was a popular chef walking home from work when he was randomly attacked.
No arrests made yet, hopefully the police get him soon. Wonder if he will reoffend like what we saw in White Rock.

I'm mad . If this turns out to be another insanity or hardship plea for little to no prison time I'm going to lose it
This guy pleaded hardship and got away with murder https://bc.ctvnews.ca/crown-wants-8-year...-attack-on-senior-in-vancouver-1.6794554 You know they beat her senseless so she would not have memory or be able to identify them . If death occurs during any crime it should be more than 8 years of prison time, even if you are only driving the get away car.

The Starbuck fatal stabbing from last year, trial begins Did he plea insanity or hardship and will be home soon to admire his knife collection

Sorry for my rant, had to get it of my chest. I now need to relax (serenity now) so I'm heading over to What Is The Weather Today II (No Mercury Jockeying)

[chowhou]

Call me a cynic, but as soon as I heard he was a BoH employee I couldn't help but wonder if he was the victim of a drug situation gone bad. Shouldn't have happened regardless.

[kja384]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

I'm mad . If this turns out to be another insanity or hardship plea for little to no prison time I'm going to lose it
This guy pleaded hardship and got away with murder https://bc.ctvnews.ca/crown-wants-8-year...-attack-on-senior-in-vancouver-1.6794554 You know they beat her senseless so she would not have memory or be able to identify them . If death occurs during any crime it should be more than 8 years of prison time, even if you are only driving the get away car.

The Starbuck fatal stabbing from last year, trial begins Did he plea insanity or hardship and will be home soon to admire his knife collection

Sorry for my rant, had to get it of my chest. I now need to relax (serenity now) so I'm heading over to What Is The Weather Today II (No Mercury Jockeying)

The Starbucks attack was a bit different. They were planning on fighting until the accused took a knife and just stabbed him once. He plead not guilty so I guess we'll see what actually happened.

Can't believe a guy is out with his fiance and kid and trying to fight men in the middle of the street.

[chowhou]

I don't generally like to feed this thread too much, but there was another stabbing in the area yesterday with the suspect potentially detained. It would be nice if that was the same person and they were brought to justice.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10551085/dtes-stabbing-vancouver-june-6/

Downtown Eastside stabbing leaves man in serious condition

Vancouver police say a man was taken to hospital in serious condition after being stabbed in the city’s Downtown Eastside on Thursday.

The incident happened near Hastings and Columbia streets around 2:40 p.m.

Witness Casandra Torres was working on a job site nearby when she saw two men fighting.

“One of them, he had an ice pick, and he was poking him several times,” she said.

“I was completely in shock.”

She said the attacker fled the scene with another woman.

Police said one person was detained nearby, but it was too soon to say if they were a suspect.

The stabbing came one day after a 32-year-old chef and Japanese national was fatally stabbed nearby on the edge of Chinatown while heading home from work.

Police have yet to identify a suspect or a motive in his killing.

[Metro-One]

It's not feeding a thread when there is a legitimate issue at hand that needs addressing.

[s211]

I've come to realize that persons who downplay the magnitude of the social disorder we see these days are like people who deny global warming.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by s211

I've come to realize that persons who downplay the magnitude of the social disorder we see these days are like people who deny global warming.

Climate change has decades (if not over a century) of empirical data backing up the claims.

The "decline of our social order" has decades of empirical data showing the exact opposite. That's not to say that there aren't situations where bad things happen (much like how some years are colder), but the trend has been and continues to be positive.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Running with the analogy, there's a fairly big difference between saying that the climate is changing and doomposting every day about it. Some posters here go full-on Extinction Rebellion at times.

[SpongeG]

The suspect was from Alberta according to the Vancouver Sun.

Suspect arrested in killing of Vancouver cook Wataru Kakiuchi

Andrew Weichel
CTVNewsVancouver.ca Journalist
Updated June 12, 2024

Days after well-known local cook Wataru Kakiuchi was stabbed to death in Vancouver, a suspect has been arrested and charged with second-degree murder.

The Vancouver Police Department said officers took 32-year-old Timothy Isborn into custody Monday afternoon in the Downtown Eastside.


"We thank everyone in the community for their support while we worked around the clock to collect the evidence that ultimately led to the suspect," Sgt. Steve Addison said in a news release Wednesday.

Kakiuchi, who was also 32, was found fatally injured near Main and Union streets in the early morning hours of June 5. He died before he could be taken to hospital.

Authorities did not comment on a possible motive Wednesday, but said there's no indication Isborn and Kakiuchi knew each other.

...

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/suspect-arrested-in-killing-of-vancouver-cook-wataru-kakiuchi-1.6923922

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

The suspect was from Alberta according to the Vancouver Sun.
Suspect arrested in killing of Vancouver cook Wataru Kakiuchi

An arrest made, good. I don't like the second degree murder charge, it's like saying the victim is one degree responsible for his own death/murder.
Guilty on a second degree is 15 years at most and less if he can prove he was just defending himself or he had an abusive childhood in multiple foster care homes and much hardship.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

An arrest made, good. I don't like the second degree murder charge, it's like saying the victim is one degree responsible for his own death/murder.
Guilty on a second degree is 15 years at most and less if he can prove he was just defending himself or he had an abusive childhood in multiple foster care homes and much hardship.

What? No. You can get life in prison for 2nd degree murder. It's deliberate but not pre-meditated, or a few other categories that get 1st degree charges.

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

What? No. You can get life in prison for 2nd degree murder. It's deliberate but not pre-meditated, or a few other categories that get 1st degree charges.

If it's deliberate, it should be 1st degree, I see no deference between 'I'll kill a certain person tomorrow or I'll kill this random person right now', you don't want me presiding over an accused in a court of law.
We haven't seen any evidence yet, so I can't pass judgement. I think I heard or read that they have video of some kind. Video evidence will help establish a prison time.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

If it's deliberate, it should be 1st degree, I see no deference between 'I'll kill a certain person tomorrow or I'll kill this random person right now', you don't want me presiding over an accused in a court of law.
We haven't seen any evidence yet, so I can't pass judgement. I think I heard or read that they have video of some kind. Video evidence will help establish a prison time.

In our established legal tradition, we consider premeditated crimes to be much more serious than crimes that happen in-the-moment.

There's something much more heinous about a person who plans out a murder with plenty of time to reconsider rather than a person who kills as the result of a quick decision without any time to think about the results of that action beforehand.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by chowhou

In our established legal tradition, we consider premeditated crimes to be much more serious than crimes that happen in-the-moment.

There's something much more heinous about a person who plans out a murder with plenty of time to reconsider rather than a person who kills as the result of a quick decision without any time to think about the results of that action beforehand.

Yes. 1st degree is intentionally planned (like a hit). 2nd degree is intent to kill, but not planned in advance.