Burrard Inlet Rapid Transit - Park Royal-Metrotown via 2nd Narrows | BRT/RRT?

[madog222]

Some information from two DoNV commissioned technical studies comparing BRT, LRT, and RRT. Remember these are effectively privately commissioned studies and have no bearing on the eventual Provincial project. That said, it can be assumed that all competently performed studies would arrive at close to the same conclusions.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/north-shore-skytrain-burrard-inlet-rapid-transit-brt-lrt-study

RRT Skytrain would attract the highest ridership at 120,000 boardings per day.

Station locations for RRT:




Two bridge designs were studied, both of which can be build in the phases. Both would have active transport, RRT, 6 highway and 2 SB local collector traffic lanes.

Twin cable-stayed bridges:


A single multilevel arch truss bridge:
Images from Spannovation

[Migrant_Coconut]

It's a 90% guarantee that Burnaby Council will manage to lobby for an eleventh station at the Heights. The BIA will force them to commit hara-kiri if they don't.

[officedweller]

Just posting this from the North Shore Updates thread, noting the bridge location to the west of the existing bridge.

Originally Posted by officedweller

I see a new transit bridge at the bottom.
These say "Transit Station" whereas the Marine Drive / Capilano map shows a "Transit Stop".
Does someone know something?


https://www.nchkay.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/20231204-Nchkay-AGM-Large-Maps-Seymour-scaled.jpg

[ecbin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

It's a 90% guarantee that Burnaby Council will manage to lobby for an eleventh station at the Heights. The BIA will force them to commit hara-kiri if they don't.

Not only that but I'd expect a station around Boundary and another one between BCIT and Metrotown (Moscrop or Burke).

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by ecbin

Not only that but I'd expect a station around Boundary and another one between BCIT and Metrotown (Moscrop or Burke).

There wouldn't be any justification for a Boundary station only a block from the PNE station. And don't forget that any station comes with automatic up-zoning, and Brentwood Park residents have already shown that can be a local issue.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by ecbin

Not only that but I'd expect a station around Boundary and another one between BCIT and Metrotown (Moscrop or Burke).

Hastings will have its own line and I think having the interchange station closest to downtown is the right location.

[Lexus]

I suggest an option to have a first phase to run Metrotown-BCIT-Brentwood. These are the busiest stations and both end already integrated into existing network. And perhaps then can temporarily share existing OMCs while future (more complicated) phase is under consideration.
My point is that Brentwood-Metrotown corridor is already too busy and overcrowded.

[BaddieB]

There will absolutely be a Burnaby Heights station. It'd be silly not to. A dense area with a lot of retail. Should be one at Moscrop too.

Does anyone know if it would go down McKay. Going down Willingdon would be way to far from Metrotown station. It should be designed with the ability for the line to continue down 49th to Oakridge.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

It's a 90% guarantee that Burnaby Council will manage to lobby for an eleventh station at the Heights. The BIA will force them to commit hara-kiri if they don't.

It's a nonsensical route from Brentwood to PNE as shown.

[djmk]

A skytrain station at 3rd and lonsdale is 5 long blocks uphill from the seabus.

Nobody lives around Moodyville

And 2! 90 degree turns

Why would they do that?

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

It's a nonsensical route from Brentwood to PNE as shown.

Why? Burnaby Heights is an area that should be served. Costs could be kept low if they use the Willingdon Greenway, and cut and cover along the parallel Albert Street, with no retail to complain, and many city-owned parking lots that could be used for construction space.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

Why? Burnaby Heights is an area that should be served. Costs could be kept low if they use the Willingdon Greenway, and cut and cover along the parallel Albert Street, with no retail to complain, and many city-owned parking lots that could be used for construction space.

Maybe, not without a station though. The route as shown in the map.

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Maybe, not without a station though. The route as shown in the map.

Ah I understand what you mean now.

One thing I wonder though is how exactly the route would look like at Brentwood? It would very likely be above ground from north of Metrotown along Willingdon and across Hwy 1, but there is no room for a portal to go underground before Brentwood. This would leave the only option for the route to elevated OVER the M-line, with a station arching above it. This isn't impossible, but it would be the first of its kind in the region (most similar is at Commercial Broadway, but the M-line is in a trench rather than going above the Expo). From there I can imagine it going underground, portalling somewhere on the Willingdon Greenway.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Maybe, not without a station though. The route as shown in the map.

It's a North Vancouver sponsored study, so they may not have paid much attention to south of the Inlet. That said, it's more likely to run under streets, however it's built, so the route shown makes some sense.

[RedArbutus]

Originally Posted by djmk

Nobody lives around Moodyville

Are you joking? It's rapidly becoming the densest area in the CoNV outside of the Lonsdale corridor. And Translink owns a parcel of land in the heart of it that has very transparently been intended by the CoNV for years to be some kind of transit-oriented mixed use development.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by BaddieB

Ah I understand what you mean now.

One thing I wonder though is how exactly the route would look like at Brentwood? It would very likely be above ground from north of Metrotown along Willingdon and across Hwy 1, but there is no room for a portal to go underground before Brentwood. This would leave the only option for the route to elevated OVER the M-line, with a station arching above it. This isn't impossible, but it would be the first of its kind in the region (most similar is at Commercial Broadway, but the M-line is in a trench rather than going above the Expo). From there I can imagine it going underground, portalling somewhere on the Willingdon Greenway.

Cut and Cover up Willingdon? Would be a lot more money but above ground has its challenges as you say.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by RedArbutus

Are you joking? It's rapidly becoming the densest area in the CoNV outside of the Lonsdale corridor. And Translink owns a parcel of land in the heart of it that has very transparently been intended by the CoNV for years to be some kind of transit-oriented mixed use development.

Density will follow any Skytrain development anyway. Multiple higher levels of government are set to force it as a part of funding.

[djmk]

Originally Posted by RedArbutus

Are you joking? It's rapidly becoming the densest area in the CoNV outside of the Lonsdale corridor. And Translink owns a parcel of land in the heart of it that has very transparently been intended by the CoNV for years to be some kind of transit-oriented mixed use development.

A few blocks of 4 story townhouses/condos and it's not going to get much denser than that.

Put the station at the bottom of the hill and redevelop that mess around Rona and then there is potential

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Cut and Cover up Willingdon? Would be a lot more money but above ground has its challenges as you say.

Willingdon north of Lougheed has a 12 to 20m wide linear park that can provide room for a portal and cut and cover, the easiest place where you could possibly put in cut and cover.

Downside is the park would be disrupted, but the cost savings would be worth it.

[BaddieB]

Originally Posted by djmk

A few blocks of 4 story townhouses/condos and it's not going to get much denser than that.

Put the station at the bottom of the hill and redevelop that mess around Rona and then there is potential

It really would make way more sense for the route to go along Lower Level Road, rather than 3rd, where no doubt they would have to bore it at the cost of a few hundreds of millions more.