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[1ajs]

the church has tride they have applied for grants every year and never get them or cant find money to match the grants so they get stuck in a loop but they have been trying.

biggest issue these beutifull churches face is its all old people on the boards that run them that cant get new young people invovled or attending so it shrinks and shrinks and shrinks till u cant keep the lights on anymore. this is not a unique issue its up to community to decide theres a multi tear use that could prolly help protect it for a long time has that addition on the back as well theres options

share the church with other churches to use in a multi space the imigrinto community has a few tat all meet in basements in the central park area and other buildings around downtown i bet they would love to have a space to share like this

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Biff

I hope it is saved as well.

After being to numerous older cities I find these beautiful century old churches something to behold. That being said, it would have to be bought by a deep pocketed developer that could repurpose it into something else. The problem is that there are already quite a few social/music hall venues around (the usual repurpose method).

For years I have thought that this church and the sliver of a parking lot in between it and the Met would be a great pick-up for True North (TN) to build a nice slender apartment tower, but I would assume that TN is spread pretty thin right now with other projects.

$7-$8m is a lot of money for someone to spend to repair it only to leave it to a small congregation church to unfortunately neglect repairs again.

This is a tough one.

I immediately thought of Chipman. Might as well add it to the portfolio! Will eventually own all of downtown.

[audie]

Does anyone know whats going up on the north side of Chancellor right next to the transitway? I drove through the other day and it looked like the early stages of a fairly significant project.

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by Biff

I hope it is saved as well.

After being to numerous older cities I find these beautiful century old churches something to behold. That being said, it would have to be bought by a deep pocketed developer that could repurpose it into something else. The problem is that there are already quite a few social/music hall venues around (the usual repurpose method).

For years I have thought that this church and the sliver of a parking lot in between it and the Met would be a great pick-up for True North (TN) to build a nice slender apartment tower, but I would assume that TN is spread pretty thin right now with other projects.

$7-$8m is a lot of money for someone to spend to repair it only to leave it to a small congregation church to unfortunately neglect repairs again.

This is a tough one.

The time for the dwindling congregation to realize it would never have enough money to maintain the building properly was 20 years ago.

If they had been realistic and thought about the future then, they could have either merged with other congregations or sold the building. There were possibilities then.

Their inaction over decades closed all those doors.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by audie

Does anyone know whats going up on the north side of Chancellor right next to the transitway? I drove through the other day and it looked like the early stages of a fairly significant project.

It is another 4 storey multi-family building as part of the Fairway Woods complex.

[thebasketballgeek]

Originally Posted by Biff

It is another 4 storey multi-family building as part of the Fairway Woods complex.

I thought Fairway Woods was the residential project next to Vic Hospital? I’m pretty sure the project they’re referring to is the 7 storey building next to Chancellor Station which is replacing a couple of duplexes.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

The time for the dwindling congregation to realize it would never have enough money to maintain the building properly was 20 years ago.

If they had been realistic and thought about the future then, they could have either merged with other congregations or sold the building. There were possibilities then.

Their inaction over decades closed all those doors.

If it wants to survive it needs to be repurposed as something other than a church. Old churches (like mom and pop stores) are having a slow death as Mega Churches like Springs (Walmart) are booming. Springs is building a big $30m or so school addition to their compound.

[Kris22]

I would like True North to turn it into a comedy club.

[bomberjet]

Springs is building the school addition and moving everything from the current location on Youville.

Apparently the current Youville location is another case of old building with foundation problems.

Still big money in religion, just need to be on top of it!

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Biff

If it wants to survive it needs to be repurposed as something other than a church. Old churches (like mom and pop stores) are having a slow death as Mega Churches like Springs (Walmart) are booming. Springs is building a big $30m or so school addition to their compound.

It might be true that big box stores and evangelical suburban mega churches are where the money is, but that doesn’t mean corner stores and inner city churches should be cast aside as having no value to the communities they serve.

You can’t look at Springs and say there’s money in religion and therefore an inner city church should be able to figure out how to maintain their 150 year old building.

I will say it again. This church has much more value to the community than just its function as a church. Great cities protect their great buildings. Cities that disregard their built history are soulless and sterile. It’s disappointing to see so much reaction that sees no value in a building as special as this.

[trueviking]

nice image of Rainbow Resource Centre building for West Broadway in the paper today.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by trueviking

You can’t look at Springs and say there’s money in religion and therefore an inner city church should be able to figure out how to maintain their 150 year old building.

I will say it again. This church has much more value to the community than just its function as a church. Great cities protect their great buildings. Cities that disregard their built history are soulless and sterile. It’s disappointing to see so much reaction that sees no value in a building as special as this.

I agree it has value and should be saved...just not as a church. Unfortunately that really limits its use.

[pegster]

Originally Posted by Biff

I agree it has value and should be saved...just not as a church. Unfortunately that really limits its use.

You don't have to look too far to see what a church can be, besides a church. Crescent Fort Rouge United Church functions as a performing arts space, day care, AA meeting place, music and arts classroom, and a church. Augustine United Church has a day care, soup kitchen, shelter, and is retrofitting for future use as a performing arts space. Both are pillars of Osborne Village.

Holy Trinity can be that kind of space for downtown. It's a beautiful space, has an amazing wood ceiling, and the largest pipe organ in the city. They already do lunch time programing and meal service for inner city people. And its grounds are a centrepiece of the city's revitalization plans for Graham Avenue. It should be saved.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by trueviking

nice image of Rainbow Resource Centre building for West Broadway in the paper today.

That Brent Bellamy guy sure is eloquent haha. 😂

I live just up the street and the old folks home sure is coming along nicely. I wonder if that CRU has any interest yet. Looks like it's starting to get roughed in.

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by Kris22

I would like True North to turn it into a comedy club.

so you are saying you want it to remain a church

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by pegster

You don't have to look too far to see what a church can be, besides a church. Crescent Fort Rouge United Church functions as a performing arts space, day care, AA meeting place, music and arts classroom, and a church. Augustine United Church has a day care, soup kitchen, shelter, and is retrofitting for future use as a performing arts space. Both are pillars of Osborne Village.

Holy Trinity can be that kind of space for downtown. It's a beautiful space, has an amazing wood ceiling, and the largest pipe organ in the city. They already do lunch time programing and meal service for inner city people. And its grounds are a centrepiece of the city's revitalization plans for Graham Avenue. It should be saved.

Right, but these are the kind of partnerships they needed to have forged 20 years ago, so that the church would be a hub of many different NPOs/NGOs/community services, all of whom could contribute to upkeep, building a fund for building repairs and restoration, etc.

*Now*, today, what's the sales pitch to the non-profits, daycares, performing arts groups, community organizations, etc.? "Hey, start up your daycare in this building that might end up being condemned at any given moment and that has unfixed foundation issues that we're going to tap you up to help us afford to fix..."

[WinCitySparky]

Originally Posted by Biff

I agree it has value and should be saved...just not as a church. Unfortunately that really limits its use.

Maybe a new downtown public washroom facility? Fanciest you ever saw!

To add more fuel to the discussion, now the Bishop is saying that any future purchaser of the land MUST grant the use of the land/building for parishioners to gather for Sunday service and other churchly addendums.

“I quite clearly have said it’s conditional on any buyer, partner, investor or developer to first, preserve and maintain the historic structure, second, to make space available for Holy Trinity to hold worship services, and third, to secure space and opportunity for the church to continue its important mission work,” Woodcroft told the Free Press, adding there are ongoing conversations to make those things a reality.

The entitlement.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/arts-a...opertys-purpose-set-in-stone-bishop-says

[WinCitySparky]

On another non church discussion topic, there appears to be some discussion on the national level regarding the examination of the 2-stair building code that we have discussed here in the past being a significant cost obstacle to high rise residential development.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...-about-stairs-could-unlock-a-lot-of-new/

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

On another non church discussion topic, there appears to be some discussion on the national level regarding the examination of the 2-stair building code that we have discussed here in the past being a significant cost obstacle to high rise residential development.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/...-about-stairs-could-unlock-a-lot-of-new/

How much money would it feasibly save on a project to do single stair?

[WinCitySparky]

I don’t know, that’s a question for someone who works in the design/development arm of the industry, not my wheelhouse.