Statistics Canada Reports II

[Wigs]

Will be nice to see Winnipeg join the 1M plus club, and Saskatoon will be in the 400 plus club soon

Which cities from the Rest of the Pack will be the first to join the 200 plus club?

[Wigs]

P.s. guys, you always get tripped up but it's
St. Catharines.



To my Niagara eyes, it looks off like it would if you spelled the cities: Taronto, Hamiltun or Vancoover improperly

[Taeolas]

Without looking at the numbers, I'd say Moncton, Kingston and Guelph are the most likely 200 Club joiners. Sudbury and Trois-Rivieres are also in the Top5, but I don't think Sudbury has the growth like those other three. Trois Rivieres I just don't have a feel for one way or another. As pointed out, Moncton's probably already at 190k now and will probably crack 200k by 2025 at the latest.

[LuluBobo]

Originally Posted by Wigs

Will be nice to see Winnipeg join the 1M plus club, and Saskatoon will be in the 400 plus club soon

Which cities from the Rest of the Pack will be the first to join the 200 plus club?

Even though it wasn't named as a "club", Regina will be hitting 300k in the next 5 years.

[giallo]

Originally Posted by Wigs

Will be nice to see Winnipeg join the 1M plus club, and Saskatoon will be in the 400 plus club soon

Which cities from the Rest of the Pack will be the first to join the 200 plus club?

Seeing Winnipeg grow is awesome. It's a cool city with great people.

I think we need to recognize that we have a new 3 million person metro (Vancouver) and a new half million person metro (Halifax).

Pretty big milestones.

[MolsonExport]

3 million definitely puts Vancouver into the Big Boys' Club (it was already a member, but now with more bragging rights). Still the "Big Three", but Toronto is approaching the point of being in a league of its own (eventual megacity metro status). Skyline-wise, it is already there, only behind New York City and Chicago, for North America.

Calgary has the best shot at joining a version of this club, but it has not yet pulled away enough from Ottawa and Edmonton. Perhaps all three will join the 3 million+ club.

I recall when Winnipeg was Canada's fourth largest city.

[Innsertnamehere]

If Calgary continues it's 6% growth it'll get there pretty quickly. It won't though.

I do think Calgary being over 2 million by 2030 isn't unreasonable though, especially since it's likely sitting in the 1.8 million range today.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

There is no "hiving out" of CMAs. As far as Statistics Canada is concerned, a CMA is sacrosanct, and can never be broken up. Also, once a CMA, always a CMA. If the metro population falls below 100,000, the city will continue to have CMA status.

You're correct that a CMA retains its independence and doesn't get absorbed into an adjacent CMA but CMA designation can be lost. I do recall CBRM (Sydney) having CMA designation 10-15 years ago but got downgraded to a CA when its population fell below 100,000.

It was my understanding that a CA has to have 100,000+ people for 5 years in a row to be upgraded to a CMA so shouldn't CBRM have gotten its CMA designation back? CBRM has been above 100,000 for 5 straight years now. Maybe the core city population is too small?

[Xelebes]

So some crude estimates for current CMA population bouncing off of the StatsCan population clock. Please note, crude.

Toronto: 7.0 million (above)
Montreal: 4.6 million (above)
Vancouver: 3.1 million (below)
Calgary: 1.8 million (below)
Ottawa: 1.6 million (above)
Edmonton: 1.6 million (above)
Winnipeg: 940,000 (above)
Quebec City: 900,000 (above)
Hamilton: 850,000 (above)
Kitchener: 700,000 (above)
London: 630,000 (above)
Halifax: 540,000 (below)
Saint Catharines-Niagara: 490,000 (above)
Windsor: 480,000 (above)
Victoria: 440,000 (above)
Saskatoon: 370,000 (below)
Regina: 280,000 (above)
Kelowna: 250,000 (above)
St. John's: 240,000 (below)
Moncton: 190,000 (below)

[MolsonExport]

^Kelowna?

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by giallo

Seeing Winnipeg grow is awesome. It's a cool city with great people.

I think we need to recognize that we have a new 3 million person metro (Vancouver) and a new half million person metro (Halifax).

Pretty big milestones.

True, although Vancouver was to be expected for a while.
Halifax's recent growth has been a shocker to many.

St. Catharines-Niagara and Windsor will join the half million club soon.

There's an incredible amount of housing growth in Niagara, primarily SFH and townhouses, but infill and multi family residential is happening now too. Thorold, Welland, Niagara Falls are rapidly growing and even forgotten Fort Erie (directly across from Buffalo) is kicking into high gear with residential subdivisions.

Welland, for example, went from 150-200 new dwelling units/yr from 2014-2017 to over 1,000 in 2022.
https://madeinwelland.ca/Data/pdfs/2...ntActivity.pdf

In St. Catharines (which is mostly built out) a huge 532 unit infill project has just been approved, for example. A 250+ unit 5-storey infill condo is just about completed.
Downtown St. Catharines has its first high-rise residential u/c, Carlisle Square an 18 storey (66.88 m/219 ft) that really makes an impression from Hwy 406. And soon the first downtown high-rise condo is set to rise, 88 James in the near future. It's supposed to be 30 floors, 276 units, 99.14 m/325 feet.

Taller buildings have been proposed downtown as well, but it remains to be seen if the Kitchener effect of a high rise residential boom will ever happen in St. Catharines. Since St. Catharines has the largest arena, performing arts centre, Niagara symphony etc (sports and culturals) and a historic downtown it makes sense for high density residential over touristy Niagara Falls.

[Zeej]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

3 million definitely puts Vancouver into the Big Boys' Club (it was already a member, but now with more bragging rights). Still the "Big Three", but Toronto is approaching the point of being in a league of its own (eventual megacity metro status). Skyline-wise, it is already there, only behind New York City and Chicago, for North America.

Calgary has the best shot at joining a version of this club, but it has not yet pulled away enough from Ottawa and Edmonton. Perhaps all three will join the 3 million+ club.

I recall when Winnipeg was Canada's fourth largest city.

We're seeing a pretty clear hierarchy develop within the big 3, where each city is 50% larger than the next smaller city. Assuming drastic policy changes don't occur, I think this will more or less continue as Toronto climbs to 10M, though it's kind of anyone's guess:

Toronto 9M (+2M)
Montreal 6M (+1.4M)
Vancouver 4M (+1.0M)

[giallo]

Originally Posted by Wigs

True, although Vancouver was to be expected for a while.
Halifax's recent growth has been a shocker to many.

St. Catharines-Niagara and Windsor will join the half million club soon

True, but up until this report, you still had people, even here at SSP, using the 2.6 million number for Vancouver. This just makes it official.

[north 42]

Originally Posted by Wigs

True, although Vancouver was to be expected for a while.
Halifax's recent growth has been a shocker to many.

St. Catharines-Niagara and Windsor will join the half million club soon.

There's an incredible amount of housing growth in Niagara, primarily SFH and townhouses, but infill and multi family residential is happening now too. Thorold, Welland, Niagara Falls are rapidly growing and even forgotten Fort Erie (directly across from Buffalo) is kicking into high gear with residential subdivisions.

Welland, for example, went from 150-200 new dwelling units/yr from 2014-2017 to over 1,000 in 2022.
https://madeinwelland.ca/Data/pdfs/2...ntActivity.pdf

In St. Catharines (which is mostly built out) a huge 532 unit infill project has just been approved, for example. A 250+ unit 5-storey infill condo is just about completed.
Downtown St. Catharines has its first high-rise residential u/c, Carlisle Square an 18 storey (66.88 m/219 ft) that really makes an impression from Hwy 406. And soon the first downtown high-rise condo is set to rise, 88 James in the near future. It's supposed to be 30 floors, 276 units, 99.14 m/325 feet.

Taller buildings have been proposed downtown as well, but it remains to be seen if the Kitchener effect of a high rise residential boom will ever happen in St. Catharines. Since St. Catharines has the largest arena, performing arts centre, Niagara symphony etc (sports and culturals) and a historic downtown it makes sense for high density residential over touristy Niagara Falls.

Yep, I’m pretty sure that both St. Catharines-Niagara and Windsor will both hit 500K sometime next year. They say that the population growth this past year has been the strongest for Windsor, I would imagine it would be similar in Niagara as well.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by le calmar

I wonder how much of that growth in K-W can be attributed to Conestoga College international students alone. Last I heard they pulling some insane numbers.

I bet a large portion, as the region has experienced considerable infill development since the ION opened and that has accelerated since the pandemic mass exodus from Toronto to cheaper parts of Southern Ontario, but I doubt that alone was enough to make the growth rate jump to first place.

The huge influx of international students is likely the main cause in my eyes.

[craner]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

3 million definitely puts Vancouver into the Big Boys' Club (it was already a member, but now with more bragging rights). Still the "Big Three", but Toronto is approaching the point of being in a league of its own (eventual megacity metro status). Skyline-wise, it is already there, only behind New York City and Chicago, for North America.

Calgary has the best shot at joining a version of this club, but it has not yet pulled away enough from Ottawa and Edmonton. Perhaps all three will join the 3 million+ club.

I recall when Winnipeg was Canada's fourth largest city.

Yeah - Toronto is in it’s own single member “club” as far as I’m concerned.

I too remember Winny in the 4 spot - will be good to see it in the Million club.

I am surprised the Hammer isn’t growing more.

[ssiguy]

To my Niagara eyes, it looks off like it would if you spelled the cities: Taronto, Hamiltun or Vancoover improperly [/QUOTE]

Or Munchreeall, Calgry, and Winsur.

[Rico Rommheim]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

To my Niagara eyes, it looks off like it would if you spelled the cities: Taronto, Hamiltun or Vancoover improperly

Or Munchreeall, Calgry, and Winsur.[/QUOTE]

The proper local English way to pronounce it as far as I'm concerned. That or Muntreeall.

[LeftCoaster]

It's also definitely Taronno, no one local pronounces the t.

And It's Vangcoover most of the time too.

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by craner

I am surprised the Hammer isn’t growing more.

It will pick up, imho. Downtown Hamilton has become 30 storey high-rise development central. Burlington has a bunch of high density residential in the pipeline. SFH/townhouse subdivisions, low to midrise multi-family residential continues to be built across the Metro.

This isn't a comprehensive list of everything, just the major projects I can think of in downtown Hamilton:

U/C
- Television City (former CHCH TV studio site)
two 32 storey towers, 618 units total
foundation digging underway
- 75 James, massive 34 storey, 635 units
- Radio Arts, 14 storey, 122 units
= at least 1375 units

Finishing up
- McMaster Graduate Residence
30 storey tower, 453 units
- Cobalt/King William Urban Rentals
two 30 storey towers w/525 units total
= at least 978 units

Recently finished
- Platinum condos, 24 storey, 292 units
- Jarvis, 14 storey, 354 units
- KiWi Condos, 14 storey, 366 units
= at least 1,012 units