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Old Posted Feb 5, 2024, 4:10 PM
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Right so... after 8 years in this house, its still not considered 'permanent'. Right.

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Turning Rideau Cottage into prime minister's permanent home comes with cost: docs

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Fri, February 2, 2024 at 2:31 p.m. EST·3 min read


OTTAWA — Turning Rideau Cottage into the permanent residence of the prime minister would have to include creating staff offices and other "residential infrastructure," an internal government document says.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has been living in the house on the grounds of Rideau Hall, the Governor General's residence, since he came into office.

Making that situation more permanent is one of three options the government is considering as the historic home for Canada's prime ministers, 24 Sussex Drive, sits in disrepair after decades of neglect.

The saga over what to do next lands in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis, as the Liberals struggle to soothe Canadians' anxieties about affordability and are chided by the Opposition Conservatives for their spending.

"Any decision for the future of 24 Sussex Drive will not be taken lightly. We have an obligation to preserve landmarks of national importance," a spokesman for Procurement Minister Jean-Yves Duclos, said in a statement.

A decision has been pending for years.

The three options under consideration include "establishing Rideau Cottage as the permanent residence," according to a heavily redacted briefing note prepared for Privy Council Office staff last May.

The document, labelled "secret," was released to The Canadian Press under access-to-information law.

"Under this option, the (National Capital Commission) would invest to address lacking residential infrastructure … kitchen, laundry, garage and staff offices."

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Old Posted Feb 5, 2024, 4:15 PM
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The Science and Tech Museum's former bread factory home was "temporary" for half a century until Harper invested a hundred million to make it permanent.
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Kind of his (and Harper's) fault that we're in this situation. Would have been FAR cheaper to renovate 15 years ago.
Trudeau has been in power for 8 years.
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Trudeau has been in power for 8 years.
This is classic. For sure in election 2025 there will be at least one problem blamed on Harper. This was already silly in the 2019 election and now is an obscene thing to claim.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2024, 6:11 PM
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Trudeau has been in power for 8 years.
Harper refused to move out. Trudeau chose not to move into 24 Sussex so that the Government could do something about it. Seems Government is not in the business of doing something, it's in the business of studying options that will never be implemented.
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Could two former prime ministers help rescue 24 Sussex?
A joint effort spearheaded by Jean Chrétien and Stephen Harper, from two different political parties, "takes the politics out of it," a former NCC board member says.

Marlo Glass, Ottawa Citizen
Published Apr 05, 2024 • Last updated 2 hours ago • 3 minute read


A charitable effort to restore 24 Sussex Dr. to its former glory could be spearheaded by two former prime ministers.

As first reported in the Globe and Mail, Jean Chrétien and Stephen Harper have volunteered to lead a campaign to raise the money required to restore the official prime minister’s residence, each of them calling upon their wide network to do so.

Former National Capital Commission board member and interim chair Bob Plamondon said he recently toured the 24 Sussex grounds with Chrétien and Tobi Nussbaum, chief executive officer of the NCC, which is responsible for the official residences.

A joint effort spearheaded by two former prime ministers, from two different political parties, “takes the politics out of it,” Plamondon said in an interview.

“Provided they don’t need funding from the government, in theory they could take this project on and contract with a registered charity,” he said. “As well, there’s a certain efficiency in the decision-making process when it’s a small group.”

Chrétien and Harper, both of whom lived at 24 Sussex, are “ideally suited to take on some risks and make some of the tradeoffs necessary to deliver this project, this residence, in a cost efficient and effective manner,” Plamondon added.

The residence has been vacant for years, its long-standing issues with everything from pest infestations to asbestos well-documented and its future something of a political hot potato. It is in the process of being “decommissioned” by the NCC, with an estimated price tag for rehabilitation of more than $36 million.

As it stands, the Victorian house built in 1866 is down to bare studs, its wiring and plumbing removed at a cost of $4.3 million.

Aside from Chrétien and Harper, it was also once the home of prime ministers Louis St-Laurent, John Diefenbaker, Lester Pearson, Pierre Trudeau, Joe Clark, John Turner, Brian Mulroney, Kim Campbell and Paul Martin. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has lived at Rideau Cottage, next to the Governor-General’s residence on the grounds of Rideau Hall, since being elected in 2015.

When asked about fundraising plans, a spokesperson said the NCC had presented a number of options to the federal government, but did not elaborate on the details.

Nussbaum was not made available for an interview.

Peter Coffman, an associate professor of history and theory of architecture at Carleton University, said it was “well past time” to repair 24 Sussex and “treat it with the respect that it merits, both as a heritage building and also official residence of the prime minister.”

The obstacles to doing so have “always been purely political,” Coffman said, but this proposal could “potentially removes the partisanship, which is a huge factor.”

The “extraordinary house” was not initially designed as the prime minister’s residence, but rather was built for lumber baron Joseph Currier, who later became a member of Parliament. Other lumber barons lived there until the federal government appropriated it in the 1940s. Prime ministers resided in the building for more than half a century.

“It’s one of the most historic and important heritage buildings, not just in Ottawa, but the country,” Coffman said. “I can’t think of another country in the world that would have allowed this to happen to the official residence to its head of government.”

At the White House in Washington or No. 10 Downing in London, “this type of neglect would never be allowed,” because those residences “are not the property of any individual occupant, but the nation,” Coffman said. “For some reason, we can’t seem to see it that way.

“Maintaining (24 Sussex) would be an act of self-respect we can’t seem to conjure up.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/could-two-former-prime-ministers-help-rescue-24-sussex
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2024, 1:50 PM
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Well that's ironic, two PMs who neglected to maintain the house when they were in power, including Harper's, who refused to move out so the NCC could start work on it, spearheading the campaign to restore it.
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Wow, we need a charitable campaign to make the PM’s residence livable. Kind of a sad state of affairs, but emblematic of politics in this country these days.
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Wow, we need a charitable campaign to make the PM’s residence livable. Kind of a sad state of affairs, but emblematic of politics in this country these days.
I don't see any problem if it can be restored through private donations. We could do with more such philanthropy in this country.
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Sounds to me like a version of setting up a GoFundMe for the government
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If they left it to Brian Balmer and Mike Holmes before the pandemic, we might have gotten a bunch of free stuff in exchange for sponsorships, not to mention TV revenue instead of asking taxpayers for more money. I know I'll just continue to donate my hard earned dollars to chronically underfunded public hospitals.
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I don’t think that was ever a serious proposal, HGTV doesn’t have show budgets anywhere near the scale of cost estimates.
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I don't see any problem if it can be restored through private donations. We could do with more such philanthropy in this country.
Not exactly a model for funding expenses that are squarely the responsibility of government (and the entire public, not just those who choose to contribute). Would not want to see that become a trend.
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Not exactly a model for funding expenses that are squarely the responsibility of government (and the entire public, not just those who choose to contribute). Would not want to see that become a trend.
Yes it's a trend we see towards the rabidly anti politician attitude you see in the US. As there huge spending is fine if nobody seems to benefit and corporate sponsors make the whole political class beholden to them to the benefit of nobody. Surely we can spend $50 million for our PM residence. We are spending Billions on parliament and we spend $100k a day for their vacations for security. I know there are people here who think they should live in an apartment but I think a residence that can host their staff, or a foreign leader intimately is well worth it.
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Yes it's a trend we see towards the rabidly anti politician attitude you see in the US. As there huge spending is fine if nobody seems to benefit and corporate sponsors make the whole political class beholden to them to the benefit of nobody. Surely we can spend $50 million for our PM residence. We are spending Billions on parliament and we spend $100k a day for their vacations for security. I know there are people here who think they should live in an apartment but I think a residence that can host their staff, or a foreign leader intimately is well worth it.
I think $50 million is the deferred maintenance on the existing building. If you want upgrades that costs more. Considering the most expensive house in Ottawa currently for sale is $7M and a tasteful Rockcliffe mansion currently lists for $3.7M it seems like a lot.
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'24 Sussex by Manulife' has a good ring to it. We could even put a logo or two on the rooftop reflected in the new tiles.
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I don’t think that was ever a serious proposal, HGTV doesn’t have show budgets anywhere near the scale of cost estimates.
The Feds would still need to put millions, maybe tens of millions, but some of the expenses could be covered by TV sponsorships (show gets free or rebates on materials that are featured) and general TV revenue. Even if it saved 10%-25%, that's something. Also would have been far cheaper pre-pandemic.
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The Feds would still need to put millions, maybe tens of millions, but some of the expenses could be covered by TV sponsorships (show gets free or rebates on materials that are featured) and general TV revenue. Even if it saved 10%-25%, that's something. Also would have been far cheaper pre-pandemic.
The actual off-the-shelf construction materials that you might get comped for marketing reason (rock wool, Tyvek, etc.) are a rounding error (maybe a few hundred grand), the cost is the security features and the massive customization and function creep the bureaucrats will insist on, and if they keep the existing house the piece by piece reconstruction.
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I doubt the PM would give the green light for it.

Raising money for the PM's residence -- whether he lives there or not -- in the middle of a housing crisis is not going to look good.
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Not exactly a model for funding expenses that are squarely the responsibility of government (and the entire public, not just those who choose to contribute). Would not want to see that become a trend.
As I said, I see no problem with it.
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