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Old Posted Feb 29, 2024, 10:58 PM
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Seems to be construction activity up in Cambridge Estates (markers in ground, equipment, trucked in gravel). Kemal Debly (Barsa Ventures) has approval for a 40 unit and a 24 unit building. He committed to city to at least put in the footings for the buildings within the 3 year sunset clause, so this may only be preliminary work. Let’s hope it’s for actual construction.

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Old Posted Mar 1, 2024, 1:29 PM
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Seems to be construction activity up in Cambridge Estates (markers in ground, equipment, trucked in gravel). Kemal Debly (Barsa Ventures) has approval for a 40 unit and a 24 unit building. He committed to city to at least put in the footings for the buildings within the 3 year sunset clause, so this may only be preliminary work. Let’s hope it’s for actual construction.
That subdivision, and the one off Cedarwood one to its west, are basically built out as far as serviced areas go. They'll need road infrastructure to get any larger. Both contain ample undeveloped land.
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2024, 9:58 PM
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A new CBC article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/former-schools-apartment-units-renovation-1.7133255

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“Two former Saint John schools to be turned into more than 100 apartments.

After remaining tight-lipped for months about plans for two former Saint John school buildings, a Fredericton-based developer is now revealing details.

Erik de Jong, president of City Line Holdings, said the schools represent about a third of the roughly 340 new housing units planned for Saint John in the coming years.

City Line bought the former St. Patrick's School, on the city's west side, and the former St. Vincent's High School, on Cliff Street in the shadow of St. Joseph's Hospital, last fall.

De Jong said the plan is to continue renovations to St. Patrick's School and transform the site into 34 apartments and seven townhouses, and the hope is to have the units ready early next year.

Because of the deteriorated state of the St. Vincent's building, de Jong said that development will take significantly longer. And although the design work has yet to be done, he estimated between 70 and 80 units.

St. Vincent's High School first opened in 1919 as a boys' school before becoming a Catholic girls' school in 1954. It continued to operate as an all-girls school until it closed in 2002. The building has been vacant ever since.

De Jong said the two schools caught his attention when they were listed for sale within about a week of each other.

He said St. Vincent's was in "very rough shape, and after my first walk-through of that building with my respirator on, I left with a profound sense of sadness that the building had been allowed to deteriorate like it did."

He said he thought about it for a couple of weeks and then went for a second visit — and then a third.

Eventually, he thought "you know, I can make a project here. This could be something that's interesting and different than just new construction in a green field site."

De Jong said the roof has been leaking for years, creating mould and ruining a lot of the interior, including the electrical system.

"In St. Vincent's, it's all going to come out because it was wet for so long," he said.

"So, the first thing with St. Vincent's is we have to dry it out and then remediate ... there's a lot of asbestos and some lead paint that needs to come out, let alone all the mould and contaminated building materials."

He said all of the electrical wiring has to be removed and replaced, and because the classrooms are going to be turned into units, plumbing will have to be installed in each one.

De Jong said it "could be 18 months before that project's finished."

Both schools have sat empty for so long, that de Jong said neighbours are happy that something's being done with them. He said "nobody has any issues with either of those two projects."

St. Patrick's sat empty for almost a decade before City Line Holdings bought it last fall for $745,000, New Brunswick tax records show — 19 times what it fetched seven years earlier, the first time it was sold.

St. Patrick's opened in 1924 as a two-storey, red brick Catholic school. The school went up to Grade 5 when the Anglophone South School District closed it in 2014 because of structural problems.

Apartment complex on Loch Lomond

City Line Holdings is also building 226 units from the ground up on Loch Lomond Road.

They're planning four buildings with 52 units each, in addition to a number of townhouses.

The plan is to build one building at a time over the next six to nine years. De Jong said they aren't going to be large, luxury units with a lot of amenities, although each building will have a gym and a common room.

While there won't be any subsidized units, he said 10 to 15 per cent of the units will be considered affordable.

He said rent for the affordable units will be between $1,000 and $1,250 a month.

"We make them affordable by making them a little bit smaller than the other ones. So they would be like a one-bedroom or a one-bedroom and den, right around 750 or 800 square feet."
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2024, 3:43 AM
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Both should make attractive developments.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2024, 2:00 PM
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Great news and I certainly hope he is successful.

For some reason I am more confident about St Pat's than St Vincent's .....size, condition of the building maybe?

With St Vincent's sitting derelict for 20+ years I can't help drawing comparisons to the ambitious plans for the old General hospital that came to nothing.

Fingers crossed!
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Great news and I certainly hope he is successful.

For some reason I am more confident about St Pat's than St Vincent's .....size, condition of the building maybe?

With St Vincent's sitting derelict for 20+ years I can't help drawing comparisons to the ambitious plans for the old General hospital that came to nothing.
True, but that was 30 years ago and the housing market in SJ was in shambles at the time, especially in the central peninsula. Things are hot now, it is a different development environment.

I am optimistic about St. Vincent's given that they have already taken steps in the past few weeks to protect the investment by reroofing the building. That's more of a positive sign than most of us expected.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2024, 3:46 PM
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True, but that was 30 years ago and the housing market in SJ was in shambles at the time, especially in the central peninsula. Things are hot now, it is a different development environment.

I am optimistic about St. Vincent's given that they have already taken steps in the past few weeks to protect the investment by reroofing the building. That's more of a positive sign than most of us expected.
All good points. I'll continue to be hopeful.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2024, 10:28 PM
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An interesting Committee Of The Whole item from last night's Council meeting. https://pub-saintjohn.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=17050

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"SUBJECT: Results of Request for Expressions of Interest re City-owned land at 160 Thorne Avenue.

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE REPORT FOR OPEN

SESSION OF COUNCIL
Staff called for an Expression of Interest for the property at 160 Thorne Avenue (the “Site”). The REOI closed on June 7, 2023, with only one proposal being submitted. Staff are recommending that the City sell the Site to 511978 N.B. Inc. for appraised value.

COUNCIL RESOLUTION

1. That the City enter into an Agreement of Purchase and Sale generally in
the form as presented to Committee of the Whole at its meeting held
March 4, 2024, with 511978 N.B. Inc. for the parcel of land located at 160
Thorne Avenue (PID 55174106) and that the Mayor and City Clerk be
authorized to execute the said Agreement of Purchase and Sale and any
other documents necessary to effect the transaction; and

2. That the City retain a Local Government Services Easements for its
infrastructure located within the subject lands.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2024, 10:49 PM
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The old school building on Ropewalk Road is getting ready for demolition. Fencing is now up surrounding the front of the building. And crew is working inside bringing out stuff from inside the building. Out back was a big pile of stuff. This demolition is to make way for a new K-5 school replacing nearby Centennial School and Hazen White-St. Francis School. A brand new modern facility will be built on the property. Opening is still scheduled for September 2026.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2024, 3:27 AM
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New article on AllNewBrunswick website about the former Telegraph Journal building being sold. Can anyone with access, let us know the key info from the article?
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2024, 1:29 PM
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New article on AllNewBrunswick website about the former Telegraph Journal building being sold. Can anyone with access, let us know the key info from the article?
Update: Someone over on Retail Talk and Share kindly provided info from the article.

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“For Telegraph journal, they said last April that Madawaska Maliseet First Nation was looking at the property to open a casino. However, it is a local buyer, and sale is expected to close the end of March, but neither the real estate agent or Irving will say who the buyer is”.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2024, 3:56 PM
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Wondering if anybody knows anything about the status of the former bowling ally/bingo hall/plaza at Haymarket Sq.? It's been vacant and partially boarded up for sometime and seems to be in a location relatively close to Uptown as well as a grocery store and a pharmacy. I drove by today and thought to myself........"pretty good sized site with the parking lot"

Another location I wonder about is the former Baxter's Dairy site on Millidge Ave. Once again relatively close walking distance to Sobeys/Shoppers and on a main transit route. I can't imagine Saputo has long range plans for it but who knows?
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2024, 5:35 PM
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Wondering if anybody knows anything about the status of the former bowling ally/bingo hall/plaza at Haymarket Sq.? It's been vacant and partially boarded up for sometime and seems to be in a location relatively close to Uptown as well as a grocery store and a pharmacy. I drove by today and thought to myself........"pretty good sized site with the parking lot"

Another location I wonder about is the former Baxter's Dairy site on Millidge Ave. Once again relatively close walking distance to Sobeys/Shoppers and on a main transit route. I can't imagine Saputo has long range plans for it but who knows?
I think it was stated that the Saputo site might be contaminated? I could be wrong but I'd love to see something there. The old Bingo hall is an interesting location just because there really isn't much around there these days except for train tracks and the overpass.
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Update: Someone over on Retail Talk and Share kindly provided info from the article.
I always say that the Casino idea would be great if it was in the enterprise lot across from Harbour Station. Link it with a pedway to the arena. Have a restaurant with a hotel 8-10 stories.

You could tie in the Casino to events at the arena. For hockey games, concerts, shows etc. Buy $100 worth of poker chips and get 2 free sea dogs tickets etc.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2024, 1:58 AM
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New Article About The Former Telegraph Journal Building.

Brunswick News has a new article. The building was bought by someone local and plans to refurbish the building.

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“The sale of a prime piece of property in Saint John speaks to the need for more infilling and development in the city’s core, a city councillor says.

The former Telegraph-Journal building at 210 Crown St. has been sold after spending years vacant. Though the site’s future use isn’t being made public yet, the realtor who sold the three-acre parcel of land and the building on it says the existing building will be refurbished by the new owners.

“It is sold, yes,” said Peter Pappas, noting the property had been on the market for approximately one year. “It’s been sold a couple of times and then once people get into the due diligence of the cost to remedy the building they just thought it was too much. Now, these people have cleared all those hurdles and they’re okay with it.”

While Pappas couldn’t provide details on what the new owners intend to use the property for, he did say the intent is to renovate the building and repurpose it.

“It is a local outfit. It’s a local company. Other people have looked at it from out of town, of course, but they are local,” he said referring to the new owners.

Coun. Barry Ogden said it’s good to see the building and its property have new owners and he’s hoping it means more housing in the city’s uptown area. It would be a prime example, he said, of the type of infill development Saint John needs. Making use of existing vacant buildings and sites is a smart move, he said.

“We are seeing it coming more and it’s really good news,” Ogden said. “If you go back to the automobile becoming the main mode of transportation after the Second World War… a lot of cities experienced what’s called the donut effect where people moved to the suburbs.”

That exodus of people to cities’ outer fringes meant many buildings and lots became vacant and city cores suffered drops in population density. Now, Ogden said, there has been a shift with people wanting to live in city cores once again.

“Where I think our growth will be is apartment buildings mixed with either townhouses, starter homes or those small homes,” he said. “The way you lower taxes is with density. It’s also better for the environment because you see less use of cars.”

Saint John has an advantage over other cities, Ogden said, as many old buildings haven’t been torn down. While some other cities demolished buildings over the years, Saint John has retained its historic architecture and has repurposed sites for new uses. If that continues and sites which are vacant, such as 210 Crown St., are given a new life it can help the core and increase population density.

Ogden said the city recognizes the need to increase its population density in the core and has worked with developers to try and promote more development and housing in the uptown.

And while the future of the former Telegraph-Journal site is unknown, Ogden said he’s hoping it means a development that will benefit the city and its residents.

“I think this is really good news, this building being sold,” he said. “I want to see housing, like everybody does, but I also want to see jobs. If it creates jobs or it creates housing I’d be pleased with either one of those. We’ve got some big buildings that are empty and that’s an embarrassment, but it also means we have opportunities.”

Pappas agreed, noting any time an existing building can be put to use it is a benefit.

“I think it’s great. It’s wonderful that the building has been repurposed and not ended up in a landfill. It’s great that somebody can put that to use and they’re going to repurpose it for their use. I think it’s absolutely great,” he said. “We’re seeing a couple of projects (in Saint John) where that’s happening”.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2024, 2:21 AM
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Brunswick News has a new article. The building was bought by someone local and plans to refurbish the building.
Maybe Eric DeJong bought it. Looks like it’s large enough for 30-35 apartments and already has underground parking. Be floor to ceiling windows and a huge lot to build another apartment building.
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EllisDon was been awarded the Construction Management Services contract for the NB Museum’s Revitalization Project. https://www.nbm-mnb.ca/new-brunswick-mus...DmL626r6L8IpzOyxRSpreakeikown7kUjIaio4UM
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AllNewBrunswick News is reporting that Ontario investors have recently purchased a church here in SJ, to convert it into apartments.

A couple people with access to the article have commented over on Retail Talk and Share NB Facebook group that it’s the church on the corner of Douglas Avenue and Main Street (North). Turning it into 18 residential units.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2024, 2:34 PM
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AllNewBrunswick News is reporting that Ontario investors have recently purchased a church here in SJ, to convert it into apartments.

A couple people with access to the article have commented over on Retail Talk and Share NB Facebook group that it’s the church on the corner of Douglas Avenue and Main Street (North). Turning it into 18 residential units.
So that's the blue building with the parking lot between it and Main?
I think it was most recently some kind of evangelical church rather than a mainstream denomination.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2024, 3:34 PM
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So that's the blue building with the parking lot between it and Main?
I think it was most recently some kind of evangelical church rather than a mainstream denomination.
Yes plus that parking lot, and the smaller lot to its south. https://paol-efel.snb.ca/paol.html?v=1.0.37&lang=en&pan=01648673
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