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Old Posted Feb 26, 2024, 11:46 PM
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The problem with that is where does a Scott Road Skytrain connect up with the Expo Line. They limit Skytrain to a 6% grade and Scott Road hill kills that. Unless you think they're going to have the line in a tunnel (highly unlikely) it would have to turn to the east and join up with a future King George Skytrain.

Honestly I think Scott Road is likely to stay BRT and King George will get Skytrain simply due to geography. That's even before you consider that Surrey has been busy approving towers while N Delta (where I grew up) is only allowing towers on Scott Road and wants to keep the rest of the area as SFH.
I don't think Scott Road is that big of a deal. Yes a direct straight shot up the hill isn't super viable, but the Southern Railway ROW has existed for over a hundred years and clearly is viable for rail transport.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2024, 2:24 AM
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If grade is an issue, they could simply build a Skytrain elevator
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2024, 2:41 AM
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If there's any kind of line down Scott Road, I would think it should connect back to Surrey Centre, rather than focussing on funnelling people to Vancouver (like a branch at Scott Road Station would do).

If King George gets an Expo Line branch (install a switch east of King George Station now for a southward branch east of the hospital, then returning to KGB), then there could be a separate L-Line (BRT, LRT [unlikely SkyTrain]) from Scott Road into 104th Ave.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2024, 6:35 AM
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Sort of dependent on how much the province wants the feds to pony up, and then of course that depends on who is in charge of the feds, with current projections we can expect some funding to dry up. Alternatively, we could just fund most or all of these projects as a province, it will likely mean adjusting funding models (i.e. raising taxes/fares). It also depends on the political capital that the province wants to spend on the North Shore, as Surrey will likely continue to push for investment (rightfully so). Politically, I think a North Shore Skytrain will need to be tied to a Second Narrows bridge replacement to piggy back on relative ease of roadway expansion projects, and the province will need to have a KGB line in the works for Surrey to keep them from trying to disrupt this project a la Derek Corrigan with the Canada Line.
The more i think about a north shore skytrain project, the more I begin to agree with this line of thinking.

Surrey is already in a major infrastructure deficit (Schools, hospitals and transit). With a growing population, MLA seat count and a narrative around under investment, I could honestly see a north shore skytrain getting sidelined for another line in Surrey.

There's already a lot of grumbling that the new Cloverdale Hospital is not adequate to keep up with the growth in the city, and school space is way behind where it needs to be. It'll be the battleground for this years provincial election.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2024, 7:21 AM
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Who, though? There's only one transit agency in the Lower Mainland and one major pro-transit party in BC, and both are planning a North Shore Line well ahead of any second SoF one. You'd think the ex-Libs would've made "SkyTrain for Scott Road/Newton" a major campaign promise by now, if they were going to contest Surrey that way.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2024, 6:34 PM
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The more i think about a north shore skytrain project, the more I begin to agree with this line of thinking.

Surrey is already in a major infrastructure deficit (Schools, hospitals and transit). With a growing population, MLA seat count and a narrative around under investment, I could honestly see a north shore skytrain getting sidelined for another line in Surrey.

There's already a lot of grumbling that the new Cloverdale Hospital is not adequate to keep up with the growth in the city, and school space is way behind where it needs to be. It'll be the battleground for this years provincial election.
I don't really see it circumventing a North Shore skytrain, however I do see it being next on the list afterwards.

The thing about Surrey is that it's mostly controlled at a municipal level by South Surrey residents (where I grew up) and most South Surrey residents are very car dependent and hardly take transit at all. They'd be much more supportive of hospital or school improvements rather than transit improvements. Personally, I don't see enough of a push coming from Surrey to override the current trajectory of transit planning.

There's also the fact that a North Shore line is very likely to be more popular with those from outside of the North Shore than those currently living on the North Shore, due to the regional tourist draw the North Shore has and the relative difficulty of driving there for anyone south of the North Shore. Newton and Scott Road simply don't have any widespread outside appeal to them from a regional tourism perspective, and are extremely car oriented and relatively easy to get to.

Personally, from the perspective of someone living in New West, who has friends and family in Surrey, and is a frequent Skytrain user, I see much more value in a North Shore Skytrain than a KGB one right now (although rationally I know both need to get done). I can only imagine for all those living in Vancouver/Coquitlam/New West/etc. who are outside of either of these projects main catchment areas, most would probably support the North Shore Line over the KGB line.

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Who, though? There's only one transit agency in the Lower Mainland and one major pro-transit party in BC, and both are planning a North Shore Line well ahead of any second SoF one. You'd think the ex-Libs would've made "SkyTrain for Scott Road/Newton" a major campaign promise by now, if they were going to contest Surrey that way.
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2024, 2:25 PM
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Move Burrard Station Bay 7 to the corner of Burrard and Dunsmuir, I don't know why it's so far from the station, so many people including myself jaywalk across burrard after getting off the 5
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Move Burrard Station Bay 7 to the corner of Burrard and Dunsmuir, I don't know why it's so far from the station, so many people including myself jaywalk across burrard after getting off the 5
Between that and Bay 2....the number of pedestrians at that intersection I've seen run across the street and almost get smoked by a car....
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2024, 9:19 PM
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Between that and Bay 2....the number of pedestrians at that intersection I've seen run across the street and almost get smoked by a car....
Or better yet have the busses stop around the little block that Burrard station is on, like what we have at Bridgeport, 29th Avenue, Joyce Collingwood, 22nd Street, Scott Road, Surrey Central, Braid, Lougheed, Sperling, Brighouse. Might've missed a few but you get my point.
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Or better yet have the busses stop around the little block that Burrard station is on, like what we have at Bridgeport, 29th Avenue, Joyce Collingwood, 22nd Street, Scott Road, Surrey Central, Braid, Lougheed, Sperling, Brighouse. Might've missed a few but you get my point.
I guess trying to turn from Burrard will be an issue and you have a lot of pedestrian traffic crossing Melville as well.
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Old Posted Mar 1, 2024, 11:55 PM
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A timed crosswalk at Melville sure couldn't hurt. Maybe close the street off to traffic altogether.
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A timed crosswalk at Melville sure couldn't hurt. Maybe close the street off to traffic altogether.
Do you mean the entire street, even where it curves past the Bentall Centre, and up past The Stack? That seems a bit drastic to me. / However, I could see the branch of it that goes from Burrard past the Skytrain park and the Hyatt being closed. That would make sense to me. It's too narrow for traffic to be squeezed in there, anyway. But leave the rest open, please. (Yes, I may have misunderstood what you meant, and, as such, be barking up the wrong tree. If so, please excuse me.)
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Do you mean the entire street, even where it curves past the Bentall Centre, and up past The Stack? That seems a bit drastic to me. / However, I could see the branch of it that goes from Burrard past the Skytrain park and the Hyatt being closed. That would make sense to me. It's too narrow for traffic to be squeezed in there, anyway. But leave the rest open, please. (Yes, I may have misunderstood what you meant, and, as such, be barking up the wrong tree. If so, please excuse me.)
Once (if) the viaducts are removed and Georgia is two-way to Pacific, I could see Melville receiving a serious road diet. Maybe it could be bus stops + bike lane + general traffic lane. Removing the second traffic lane and curbside parking would allow much wider sidewalks which are sorely needed.

While local traffic would still need to be accomodated, the through traffic that takes Melville to Pender only to turn left and eventually turn onto Georgia could just take Georgia to begin with. Plus, Bute will eventually be completely closed to traffic, further reducing the value of Melville.
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2024, 11:21 PM
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Our very own Stainer posted a synopsis of the proposed streetcar on YouTube a few days ago. Check it out!

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Our very own Stainer posted a synopsis of the proposed streetcar on YouTube a few days ago. Check it out!
Stainer is ours now? Score!

To be honest though, I think the whole streetcar situation will continue to be very pie-in-the-sky for a long time. There's no political will outside of city hall for it to happen and accordingly there is no money. We'd probably be better off using the ROW for grade separated trolley busses rather than a streetcar. (Hmm! City Hall are you listening? That's my new fantasy proposal!)
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2024, 8:40 AM
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I don't really see it circumventing a North Shore skytrain, however I do see it being next on the list afterwards.

The thing about Surrey is that it's mostly controlled at a municipal level by South Surrey residents (where I grew up) and most South Surrey residents are very car dependent and hardly take transit at all. They'd be much more supportive of hospital or school improvements rather than transit improvements. Personally, I don't see enough of a push coming from Surrey to override the current trajectory of transit planning.

There's also the fact that a North Shore line is very likely to be more popular with those from outside of the North Shore than those currently living on the North Shore, due to the regional tourist draw the North Shore has and the relative difficulty of driving there for anyone south of the North Shore. Newton and Scott Road simply don't have any widespread outside appeal to them from a regional tourism perspective, and are extremely car oriented and relatively easy to get to.

Personally, from the perspective of someone living in New West, who has friends and family in Surrey, and is a frequent Skytrain user, I see much more value in a North Shore Skytrain than a KGB one right now (although rationally I know both need to get done). I can only imagine for all those living in Vancouver/Coquitlam/New West/etc. who are outside of either of these projects main catchment areas, most would probably support the North Shore Line over the KGB line.

If our options are a north shore line, extension to UBC, and another surrey line... I'm putting the north shore line at the bottom of the list of likely projects


My main reasons being

1. The growing importance of surrey electorally, and as I mentioned the huge under investment in the city across the board.

2. The northshore line will have to go along with, or follow a replacement of the second narrows... there's no timeline for this.

3. Local politics on the mayors council will dictate where this goes, and I heavily suspect surrey and vancouver will work hand in hand on their respective projects going through.
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UBC and the North Shore both have studies, potential alignments and feasibility/ridership/catchment estimates.

King George, Scott Road, or any SkyTrains along those lines have absolute jack squat - that should be evidence enough of TransLink and Victoria's priorities. Surrey's set to receive SkyTrain all the way to Langley and the most RapidBuses and/or BRTs of any part of the metro, so they're not getting nothing.
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To be honest though, I think the whole streetcar situation will continue to be very pie-in-the-sky for a long time. There's no political will outside of city hall for it to happen and accordingly there is no money. We'd probably be better off using the ROW for grade separated trolley busses rather than a streetcar. (Hmm! City Hall are you listening? That's my new fantasy proposal!)
It feels like there isn't all that much political will inside city hall for it to happen either

My new totally unrealistic transit fantasy is that the Squamish Nation buys some of the white Mark II SkyTrain cars when TransLink stops using them, retrofits them for manual operation, and gets permission from COV to run them as a streetcar system between Olympic Village and Sen̓áḵw with some sort of federal funding. With an eventual goal of connecting to Arbutus Station as well.
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It feels like there isn't all that much political will inside city hall for it to happen either

My new totally unrealistic transit fantasy is that the Squamish Nation buys some of the white Mark II SkyTrain cars when TransLink stops using them, retrofits them for manual operation, and gets permission from COV to run them as a streetcar system between Olympic Village and Sen̓áḵw with some sort of federal funding. With an eventual goal of connecting to Arbutus Station as well.
The feds paying for an indigenous run transit system that overrides the province is a pretty based idea haha.
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