Winnipeg Construction X

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

Makes me wonder what happens to the underground. It's not too crazy but all of the major skyscrapers are connected under there. Just fill it in and isolate them?

I'd be okay with them closing the circus part altogether if the plan is to reopen the intersection to pedestrians. I'm also open to the idea of having both, because why not continue having that option as well? People want to cross the street, but also there are people who don't want to cross the street, and want to remain underground for as long as possible.

It's now a matter of time before that idiot Browaty chimes in and shoots the whole idea down BeCaUsE ReAsOns!!111

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by The Jabroni

I'd be okay with them closing the circus part altogether if the plan is to reopen the intersection to pedestrians. I'm also open to the idea of having both, because why not continue having that option as well? People want to cross the street, but also there are people who don't want to cross the street, and want to remain underground for as long as possible.

It's now a matter of time before that idiot Browaty chimes in and shoots the whole idea down BeCaUsE ReAsOns!!111

My thinking is more where does the city find what'll definitely balloon into 100M to repair the circus, along with finding the political capital to snarl traffic for 5 years.

[wags_in_the_peg]

underground is just as important. there's 1000's of people leaving their coats in the office to go for lunch, Shoppers, walking clubs, etc. I bundle up sometimes and walk the Exchange at lunch but doing it indoors is great too. For Jets / Concerts theres also 1000's who park in the various building and dont worry about the outdoors.

I'm 100% for opening and will do everything i can to promote it, but having underground is important as well.

[thebasketballgeek]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

underground is just as important. there's 1000's of people leaving their coats in the office to go for lunch, Shoppers, walking clubs, etc. I bundle up sometimes and walk the Exchange at lunch but doing it indoors is great too. For Jets / Concerts theres also 1000's who park in the various building and dont worry about the outdoors.

I'm 100% for opening and will do everything i can to promote it, but having underground is important as well.

The question is if it’s $73 million important tho.

[pegster]

If the reason for Gillingham's change of heart is the cost of repairing things as they currently are, it sounds like the circus might be toast. Agree that having both open is best of both worlds, but money seems to be the deciding factor here.

[1ajs]

the city is realy going on about this the wrong way if they guna shut the concoars down that is stupid and short sited fix the roof sighduck they gotta dig it up either way the reason their costs are so high as it includes a bunch of stuff not just the road and roof but underground infrastructure the city has down there and needs to get at either way

[WinCitySparky]

Probably cheaper to build skywalks over the intersection without all the stupid frills

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Probably cheaper to build skywalks over the intersection without all the stupid frills

I was just thinking this. I wouldn't be surprised if it's part of some future plans.

[Phil's neighbour]

I wonder if this closing talk isn’t a way for the city to strong arm the corner owners to contribute to the rebuild costs. It’s in their tenants’ interests to keep the circus in place.

[rivercity]

^Thats exactly what i was thinking. Pony up or lose customers.

[bodaggin]

They said the underground is at risk due to a "failing waterproof membrane underneath the P+M road surface".

So I think that needs replacing even if you close the underground. You can't just leave it. So construction closures of P+M are unavoidable in any scenario...

Wouldn't continued water infiltration underground affect the foundations of the multiple skyscrapers along side the intersection? The civies can enlighten us here.

PS: I 100% agree with skywalks. Why they went from skywalks to underground (a 3 grade level change) is beyond me. Stick to 1 level above grade system wide. But it still doesn't address this potential water issue...

[rivercity]

The underground was first

[joshlemer]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

https://www.olexadevelopments.com/the-water-tower-district

In the slideshow on the website you can see the had at least gravel down last year for the roads. I haven't been out that way to see what states things are in. But I'd expect they get the concrete done this coming year for sure if it's not done yet. After that we should see some buildings going up. Someone mentioned they were at City Hall asking for an extension on subdivision, so we'll see how that goes. Most of this development is typical industrial park/ commercial development. The residential looks like it will be something along the lines of Park City Commons.

It's depressing beyond words that when a huge, contiguous plot of land like this opens up, very nearly within walking distance but well within biking distance of downtown, what ends up happening is it is developed into uninspiring god awful car dependent hell. Where is right of way for rapid transit? Where are the bike routes? Truly, we can never expect anything to get any better in this city in our lifetime.

I also consider this a winning argument against wasting any time or money on relocating the rail yards. Even if we could snap our fingers and get all that land for free, we would absolutely squander it. The most forward thinking thing we can do with the rail yards is to keep them undeveloped so we can pass them down to our children, who may be a bit more enlightened than us with regards to urban design.

[xubiqtss]

Hilarious that this is what it took to open up P&M. This city will always opt for the cheapest solution.

Also, this will be overshadowed by P&M, but let's not forget how outrageous the Upper Fort Garry situation is. The "Friends of Upper Fort Garry" were created by a group of Winnipeg's 0.1% elite to prevent an apartment building overshadowing their clubhouse, with the promise of an interpretive centre on the parking lot, which was to open 7 years ago. There are absolutely no plans for this going forward and their board his dwindled to 5 members.

They were given a conditional use permit to operate the parking lot which expired 5 years ago.
Their last annual report is from 2017.
They do not hold AGMs as required by law.

They are essentially in violation of nearly every term under which they operate and are only able to get away with this because of non-enforcement, apathy, and no political appetite to take on the uber-wealthy. This is something that, with enough popular support, could actually lead to a meaningful development on a prime piece of land downtown. Good for Brian Mayes for calling out this bullshit. Call your councillors.

More here: https://aroundthistown.ca/2024/02/28/friends-of-upper-fort-garry-is-the-end-in-sight/

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Probably cheaper to build skywalks over the intersection without all the stupid frills

i'd be fine w skywalks that all connect to the underground. theres lots restaurants down there that need the business

[WinCitySparky]

Hear me out: a fireman’s pole where the skywalks all converge over the intersection center and when the pedestrian scramble below signals to go, a hatch opens up and people can slide down to the concourse!

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Hear me out: a fireman’s pole where the skywalks all converge over the intersection center and when the pedestrian scramble below signals to go, a hatch opens up and people can slide down to the concourse!

Shut up and take my money.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Hear me out: a fireman’s pole where the skywalks all converge over the intersection center and when the pedestrian scramble below signals to go, a hatch opens up and people can slide down to the concourse!

Brilliant. WinCitySparky for King!

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by xubiqtss

Hilarious that this is what it took to open up P&M. This city will always opt for the cheapest solution.

Also, this will be overshadowed by P&M, but let's not forget how outrageous the Upper Fort Garry situation is. The "Friends of Upper Fort Garry" were created by a group of Winnipeg's 0.1% elite to prevent an apartment building overshadowing their clubhouse, with the promise of an interpretive centre on the parking lot, which was to open 7 years ago. There are absolutely no plans for this going forward and their board his dwindled to 5 members.

They were given a conditional use permit to operate the parking lot which expired 5 years ago.
Their last annual report is from 2017.
They do not hold AGMs as required by law.

They are essentially in violation of nearly every term under which they operate and are only able to get away with this because of non-enforcement, apathy, and no political appetite to take on the uber-wealthy. This is something that, with enough popular support, could actually lead to a meaningful development on a prime piece of land downtown. Good for Brian Mayes for calling out this bullshit. Call your councillors.

More here: https://aroundthistown.ca/2024/02/28/friends-of-upper-fort-garry-is-the-end-in-sight/

Remember, the members of the Mclub run the city. They are not to be told what to do.

[borkborkbork]

i wonder what artis, richardson and harvard think of this. i would imagine that they would benefit overall but also have a harder time leasing their basement level retail spaces since they're no longer connected to anything

(or is all the retail under P&M in city-owned property?)