Edmonton Construction Part 14 (October 2023)

[Big Jake]

Originally Posted by JSS1974

No we want to be Calgary!

Our downtown could have looked like Calgary's if Edmonton had of been more business friendly in the 80's and not sit back and watch the head offices fold up their tents here and move to Calgary !!

[JSS1974]

Originally Posted by Big Jake

Our downtown could have looked like Calgary's if Edmonton had of been more business friendly in the 80's and not sit back and watch the head offices fold up their tents here and move to Calgary !!

Some of it is Edmonton’s fault
Some of it is the provinces fault
Some of it is gods fault for geographically placing Edmonton where it is, and placing Calgary where it is

[Harrison]

Some examples:

Originally Posted by JSS1974

Some of it is Edmonton’s fault (Jan Reimer and Council chasing Shaw out of town in the 90s)
Some of it is the provinces fault (municipal funding differential between Edmonton and Calgary - i.e. Arena funding)
Some of it is gods fault for geographically placing Edmonton where it is, and placing Calgary where it is (CPR mainline through Calgary before CN line through Edmonton & proximity to Rockies for Calgary)

[Coldrsx]

Minor examples of a very hereditary ball and chain from 1979 onwards.

[feepa]

Originally Posted by Big Jake

Our downtown could have looked like Calgary's if Edmonton had of been more business friendly in the 80's and not sit back and watch the head offices fold up their tents here and move to Calgary !!

and the airport didn't block taller buildings till the 2000s didn't have anything to do with that too

[s211]

Originally Posted by foolworm

If people don't want affordability, i.e. they are looking for places to spend money rather than save it, they can vote with their feet and head for for flashier, glitzier cities -- Canada has plenty of those.

Having lived many years in both Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver, from my observations I would have to disagree.

Comparing Edmonton and Calgary, on a BROAD basis, I would call Edmonton the spender and Calgary the saver.

Again, on a BROAD basis, it is my sense that Calgarians invest while Edmontonians spend. Perhaps it's the overall much higher salaries in Calgary that makes a difference, the freedom to invest and grow one's savings.

Yes, I can't wait for the "yeah whatabout..." responses, but from my personal experience as an observer of friends and colleagues in both cities, it's such a clearcut distinction that it stunned me that you suggested otherwise.

[feepa]

yeah but my anecdotal experience trumps yours

[Coldrsx]

Reference ID: Job No 499823933-002
Description: Exterior Alterations to the Site
Location: 10440 - JASPER AVENUE NW
Plan 7823267 Blk 4 Lot 130A
10124 - 104 STREET NW
Plan 7823267 Blk 4 Lot 192A
Applicant: O2
Status: Intake Review
Create Date: 2024-02-02T15:03:28Z
Neighbourhood: DOWNTOWN

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Reference ID: Job No 500496662-002
Description: Construction of (a) new building(s), Demolition
Location: 10164 - 108 STREET NW
Plan B2 Blk 8 Lot 146
Applicant: J+S ARCHITECT
Status: Intake Review
Create Date: 2024-02-09T17:25:58Z
Neighbourhood: DOWNTOWN

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Reference ID: Job No 500038639-002
Description: To develop a landscaped plaza area (Roundhouse Park) to the Station Lands mixed Use development. The plaza includes an elevated pedestrian walkway (trestle bridge) and popup stair building from the pedestrian tunnel below. And to construct exterior alterations (landscape changes) to the previously approved Station Lands north development.
Location: 10423 - 101 STREET NW
Plan 2321876 Blk A Lot 1
9903 - 105 AVENUE NW
Plan 2321874 Blk A Lot 100
Applicant: DIALOG
Status: In Development Review
Create Date: 2024-02-06T09:18:44Z
Neighbourhood: DOWNTOWN

[foolworm]

Originally Posted by s211

Having lived many years in both Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver, from my observations I would have to disagree.

Comparing Edmonton and Calgary, on a BROAD basis, I would call Edmonton the spender and Calgary the saver.

Again, on a BROAD basis, it is my sense that Calgarians invest while Edmontonians spend. Perhaps it's the overall much higher salaries in Calgary that makes a difference, the freedom to invest and grow one's savings.

Yes, I can't wait for the "yeah whatabout..." responses, but from my personal experience as an observer of friends and colleagues in both cities, it's such a clearcut distinction that it stunned me that you suggested otherwise.

This response threw me for a loop. To me, the austerity and thriftiness of Edmontonians versus the cowboy spendthrift attitudes of Calgarians is one of the defining hallmarks of the two cities.

I am continually reminded that the diversity in perspectives is endless, that for every deeply held belief I have, there is someone out there who believes just as fervently in the opposite.

[Coldrsx]

Two 22-Storey Towers Planned For First Phase Of Edmonton Mill Woods Town Centre
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The City of Edmonton is currently taking public comment on the proposal for the first phase of the Mill Woods Town Centre redevelopment.

Howard Chai
February 09, 2024


https://storeys.com/edmonton-mill-woods-redevelopment-phase-one/

[GenWhy?]

"The townhouse units would surround the building on the western, northern, and eastern sides, while the southern side of the building will potentially be home to a greenspace and mural art. "

Those are going to be some bad townhomes and bad public realm. Guess not bad if you want a cheap townhome (or a noisy one).

[GenWhy?]

"The proposal is also seeking to include commercial uses on the ground floor, on the eastern and western sides of the building, which the City says would require an amendment to the SARP."

Was a "no commercial here" in place due to appease the owner of the mall / other commercial properties?

[Coldrsx]

Housing starts for 2023. Jan-Dec

City..... ...........SFH... Semi Det... Row ... Apartment... Total
Toronto.......... 4721..... 328 .....4860 .....37519 .....47428
Vancouver ......2832 ......914..... 1922.....27576..... 33244
Calgary.......... 5875..... 1674 .....2996..... 9034..... 19579
Montreal........ 1021 .....208 .......342 .....13664 .....15235
Edmonton .......5032 .....948..... 2069..... 5135...... 13184
Ottawa/Gat..... 1858 .....304..... 1727 .....8104...... 11993
Winnipeg........ 1425..... 366..... 468...... 3195........ 5454
Source:
https://calgary.skyrisecities.com/forum/threads/statscan-numbers.28661/page-27#post-2039887

[Rocket252]

37519 Apartment Starts for Toronto? So that's what all the 40 story towers coming up in downtown Toronto were when we visited last year.

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by Rocket252

37519 Apartment Starts for Toronto? So that's what all the 40 story towers coming up in downtown Toronto were when we visited last year.

Toronto and even Vancouver are on whole different planets.

[Rocket252]

^ No kidding.

Burnaby and Metrotown Center look like downtown Edmonton with all the buildings going up.

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by Rocket252

^ No kidding.

Burnaby and Metrotown Center look like downtown Edmonton with all the buildings going up.

Hold the phone, there are towers going up in Downtown Edmonton?

[Rocket252]

^ They have many buildings going up - we have a few

[Coldrsx]

Reference ID: Job No 500496662-002
Description: Construction of (a) new building(s), Demolition
Location: 10164 - 108 STREET NW
Plan B2 Blk 8 Lot 146
Applicant: J+S ARCHITECT
Status: Intake Review
Create Date: 2024-02-09T17:25:58Z
Neighbourhood: DOWNTOWN

[Coldrsx]

Reference ID: Job No 500038639-002
Description: To develop a landscaped plaza area (Roundhouse Park) to the Station Lands mixed Use development. The plaza includes an elevated pedestrian walkway (trestle bridge) and popup stair building from the pedestrian tunnel below. And to construct exterior alterations (landscape changes) to the previously approved Station Lands north development.
Location: 10423 - 101 STREET NW
Plan 2321876 Blk A Lot 1
9903 - 105 AVENUE NW
Plan 2321874 Blk A Lot 100
Applicant: DIALOG
Status: In Development Review
Create Date: 2024-02-06T09:18:44Z
Neighbourhood: DOWNTOWN


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