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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 3:49 AM
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AC is adding additional service to KIX:
YVR-KIX 6x weekly (from 3-4x weekly)
YYZ-KIX 3x weekly (new route)

YVR frequency is from what was reserved for potentially daily flight to PVG. YYZ frequency is likely coming from TLV, which is now reduced through the end of S24.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 4:53 AM
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AC's YUL-BCN goes daily 77W for the summer, comes directly from the second CDG flight.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 2:47 PM
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AC's YUL-BCN goes daily 77W for the summer, comes directly from the second CDG flight.
Yes i just got switched from A330 to 77W in May. I prefer the 330 personally when im in the back.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2024, 7:13 PM
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YYC December 2023 / Year end Stats

Domestic: 944,973 +11.8% (2023 Total: 12,696,468 +20.22%)
Transborder: 280,622 +28.7% (2023 Total: 3,586,287 +45.90%)
International: 200,150 +9.1% (2023 Total: 2,207,528 +54.05%)

December 2023 Total: 1,425,745 +13.1%
2023 Year-End Total: 18,490,283 +27.94%
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Prepandemic, YQM was about 680,000 passengers, so, we are now back to near 90% of prepandemic levels.
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Found the Feb 2020 article that said YXU did 683,000 in 2019, with expected 25-30% growth for 2020, which would have been ~900,000. London, amongst airports with regular commercial traffic, has to be the very slowest to rebound post-pandemic.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2024, 8:38 PM
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Found the Feb 2020 article that said YXU did 683,000 in 2019, with expected 25-30% growth for 2020, which would have been ~900,000. London, amongst airports with regular commercial traffic, has to be the very slowest to rebound post-pandemic.
Last year I think I read something that said they were forecasting to hit 1 million by 2026. Doubt that will happen.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2024, 8:47 PM
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AC is adding additional service to KIX:
YVR-KIX 6x weekly (from 3-4x weekly)
YYZ-KIX 3x weekly (new route)

YVR frequency is from what was reserved for potentially daily flight to PVG. YYZ frequency is likely coming from TLV, which is now reduced through the end of S24.
Kind of a surprise to see KIX get extra flights like this. The 787 is valuable metal in the summer, I would have put tons of destinations ahead of KIX if someone asked me what AC would do with extra capacity. But that's just my impression, I have zero inside information on route performance or how much $$ they make. KIX just seemed to me to be a very touristy summer destination on the inbound side, never really thought about the other direction. Osaka is a major metropolis, massive for business, industry, and population. But it is very much in Tokyo's shadow in terms of international awareness amongst commoners (ie. not airport junkies or geography buffs). Many average people wouldn't be familiar with the city, let alone pick it out on a map. Definitely underrated, as it has close to 19 million in its metro area, for a start. But back to AC, it was always summer seasonal, usually sub-daily, and never used premium aircraft (was a 767 for many years, then even got Rouged!, which doesn't scream "successful route" or "high yielding"). Of course Rouge left, and it went back to mainline, but with a 787-8, which is the smallest possible equipment they could use. Again, doesn't scream resoundingly successful, just a kind of steady, healthy summer route. So to see it go up to 6x weekly all of a sudden (and I thought maybe they'd down gauge to 788 to temper the additional frequency, but it is 787-9).

And then adding YYZ is even more shocking, never saw that as a top choice for slack in the schedule. The only thing I can assume is Japan is really benefitting from the lack of China, YYZ is even worse off than YVR. From Air Canada, at least YVR has the 4x weekly PVG, plus took HKG from YYZ so is now 10x weekly. Still abysmal, but we have to accept the new normal with China for now. But losing all of the China flights must have made Japan traffic soar and become bigger connecting points than they were before (it is the logical place to connect to China from Canada, for obvious geographic reasons). Otherwise I could just not see Osaka itself becoming that much more popular and exponential traffic on its own. Tokyo is a bigger draw, but AC is doing daily YYZ-NRT (777) and YYZ-HND (787), I think that's an increase over pre-covid too, no? But if filling a link to China is the motivator, I am surprised they didn't do adds at ICN instead (ie. YUL-ICN, I actually thought this existed already?). I would have sooner predicted a 4x weekly YUL-ICN than all these KIX additions. For now, Asiana still exists and is a Star Alliance partner**, just as ANA is in Japan. But Seoul is much more important than KIX, and the gap widens every second. Or YUL-DEL, I thought that was daily as well, but it is 3x weekly. I'd have thought upping this frequency was more desirable. God I wish I had access to confidential route information lol, I always theorize why decisions are made but never have the data..

So has anyone figured out where this extra 787 came from for KIX? I mean, it could easily have come from a route like YVR-YYZ, that city pair is everything and the kitchen sink in terms of equipment loL. I could never keep track to the point where I'd notice a 787 being pulled and replaced by a 321 or 330 or even a 777.

**I am alluding to the proposed Korean Air takeover of Asiana, which is in process. In order for the merger to proceed, the impact on competition had to be evaluated and approved by competition authorities in six key markets for the carriers. These markets were deemed "essential" requiring approval in order for the merger to be viable. China, Japan, South Korea itself, and the United Kingdom have approved it. The EU objected but is apparently warming and will not block the merger, apparently because of concessions such as divesting Asiana's cargo division, and divestment of routes to Barcelona, Frankfurt, Paris and Rome. We won't have long to wait, EU antitrust regulators have set a new Feb. 14 deadline to decide whether to clear the merger.... But that still leaves the US, the biggest opponent of all. You can bet a lot of decision makers are being greased up right now in Washington lol! I feel like they will cave, just might take some more finessing. Delta would be supporting it, they are close partners with Korean Air, and Delta has a lot of "friends" in the government. I just don't see the US taking a permanent stand against, just might need some route concessions like the EU allegedly got in return for their support. And it would mean no *Alliance partner at ICN. But I can't see AC limiting service because of a potential future loss of Asiana, for now they are very much alive.

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Old Posted Feb 10, 2024, 9:25 PM
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Last year I think I read something that said they were forecasting to hit 1 million by 2026. Doubt that will happen.
I can't really see a path to a million in I don't know when. AC is down to 3, sometimes 4 flights a day to Toronto, no Calgary, Ottawa and Montreal like they were doing. Swoop is gone, Westjet has no Toronto anymore, and maybe 6-7x a week to Calgary in the summer. Who knows what Flair is going to be. Porter might end up here but it will at best be a couple Q400 to Ottawa and St Hubert. Winter sun flights could probably handle growth but there again, uncertainty with Westjet/Sunwing, and most airports they do sun flights from could probably handle more, so who knows if London could get any.
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So has anyone figured out where this extra 787 came from for KIX? I mean, it could easily have come from a route like YVR-YYZ, that city pair is everything and the kitchen sink in terms of equipment loL. I could never keep track to the point where I'd notice a 787 being pulled and replaced by a 321 or 330 or even a 777..
It comes directly from TLV which has been reduced from both YYZ/YUL. Parts of that reduction also went to added 4 weekly service to ATH split 1 weekly from YYZ, 3 weekly from YUL.
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WS updated the remainder of its summer schedule this week. Seems an overall reduction in service to Quebec, with an increase to Atlantic Canada. YQB hanging on by a thread with a mere 2x weekly service to YYC from late June - early September.

Also YYC-LAX was further increased to 25x weekly, so combined with Lynx and UA there could be up to 6 flights a day. (That’s if you don’t factor in SNA).

KEF was also extended by 4 weeks into October.
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It comes directly from TLV which has been reduced from both YYZ/YUL. Parts of that reduction also went to added 4 weekly service to ATH split 1 weekly from YYZ, 3 weekly from YUL.
ATH increase is only until mid-June, and after that the capacity is reallocated to KIX. I guess they feel like Pacific market is a bit stronger than they originally thought, as they could easily redeploy the extra capacity into any of their European route.

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And then adding YYZ is even more shocking, never saw that as a top choice for slack in the schedule. The only thing I can assume is Japan is really benefitting from the lack of China, YYZ is even worse off than YVR.
Likely have to do with the Chinese passengers. From the East, AC is now funneling all the Chinese passengers either through YVR, or through NRT, HND, ICN, and I suppose KIX as well. I heard AC now makes sure every Korea and Japan flight have flight attendant that can communicate in Mandarin.
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ATH increase is only until mid-June, and after that the capacity is reallocated to KIX. I guess they feel like Pacific market is a bit stronger than they originally thought, as they could easily redeploy the extra capacity into any of their European route.



Likely have to do with the Chinese passengers. From the East, AC is now funneling all the Chinese passengers either through YVR, or through NRT, HND, ICN, and I suppose KIX as well. I heard AC now makes sure every Korea and Japan flight have flight attendant that can communicate in Mandarin.
2nd ATH runs until July 21, which by then peak summer has already hit.
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YYC December 2023 / Year end Stats

Domestic: 944,973 +11.8% (2023 Total: 12,696,468 +20.22%)
Transborder: 280,622 +28.7% (2023 Total: 3,586,287 +45.90%)
International: 200,150 +9.1% (2023 Total: 2,207,528 +54.05%)

December 2023 Total: 1,425,745 +13.1%
2023 Year-End Total: 18,490,283 +27.94%
Is this an all time record yearly total for YYC ?
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Is this an all time record yearly total for YYC ?
Yes.
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I can't really see a path to a million in I don't know when. AC is down to 3, sometimes 4 flights a day to Toronto, no Calgary, Ottawa and Montreal like they were doing. Swoop is gone, Westjet has no Toronto anymore, and maybe 6-7x a week to Calgary in the summer. Who knows what Flair is going to be. Porter might end up here but it will at best be a couple Q400 to Ottawa and St Hubert. Winter sun flights could probably handle growth but there again, uncertainty with Westjet/Sunwing, and most airports they do sun flights from could probably handle more, so who knows if London could get any.
It’s mind-boggling that Lynx haven’t announced service to YXU. YHZ-YXU-YVR for the summer 3x weekly seems like a no-brainer. PD adding twice daily YXU-YOW is another no-brainer.

In the next two weeks, there’s gotta be a pile more PD additions for summer 2024. There’s way too much slack for there not to be. If PD are committed to building a full-blown YOW hub with at least 70 departures/day, the likes of YXU getting added for DH4 feed are critical.

YXU pre-pandemic was finally getting an appropriate level of service for a city of 1/2 million but in 2024 is severely underserved domestically.
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It’s mind-boggling that Lynx haven’t announced service to YXU. YHZ-YXU-YVR for the summer 3x weekly seems like a no-brainer. PD adding twice daily YXU-YOW is another no-brainer.

In the next two weeks, there’s gotta be a pile more PD additions for summer 2024. There’s way too much slack for there not to be. If PD are committed to building a full-blown YOW hub with at least 70 departures/day, the likes of YXU getting added for DH4 feed are critical.

YXU pre-pandemic was finally getting an appropriate level of service for a city of 1/2 million but in 2024 is severely underserved domestically.
I did see on the YXU FB page that for the summer AC will be 4x daily to YYZ, WestJet is going double daily to YYC, and Flair is going 5x weekly to YYC and 2x weekly to YVR. 7 whole flights a day, 3 of which will be to Calgary lol.
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I did see on the YXU FB page that for the summer AC will be 4x daily to YYZ, WestJet is going double daily to YYC, and Flair is going 5x weekly to YYC and 2x weekly to YVR. 7 whole flights a day, 3 of which will be to Calgary lol.
19 weekly to Calgary and yet nothing to Ottawa or Montreal or Winnipeg. PD adding YXU-YOW-YUL makes a lot of sense and PD need a YOW-YUL leg to both build YOW and feed TS at YUL, even with virtually no local YOW-YUL traffic. This type of routing twice daily would enable them to do so and at a time when capacity at YXU remains very limited.
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American Airlines adds Charlotte to Québec City 1x weekly on Saturdays starting on 10th August using a CRJ900.

AA5223 CLT0910 – 1145YQB CR9 6
AA5223 YQB1225 – 1455CLT CR9 6

From what I read on Fb groups, it might be for connecting passenger on cruise ships but I think it could also be for connecting YQB passengers to Florida/sun destinations since overall it is the shortest connecting flight to most airports in Florida, especially during the low season. TS keeps a YQB-FLL flight on Saturdays only, during the summer/early autumn. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets extended in the winter as well while keeping a minimal AA presence in YQB on other days (PHL and ORD are seasonal at the moment).
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