Edmonton Construction Part 14 (October 2023) - Page 13

Coldrsx · #**241** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 2:19 AM**

The Hat - Old Strathcona

https://www.linkedin.com/in/miguel-ferre...p3_feed%3BgJCjPNmJQWaEcSFHH%2Fhqkw%3D%3D

YEG-Urbanist · #**242** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 4:10 AM**

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Rumour of the week by Avenuer on SRC:

'Rumor has it that a developer with projects adjacent to and within proximity of the old Bay section is looking to partner with the current owner to develop a tower or two on the old Bay section of the mall (they have an investor on board).'

https://edmonton.skyrisecities.com/forum...nt-management.24578/page-87#post-2045008

It seems absolutely ridiculous to tear down any portion of a perfectly good structure to make way for more condo buildings when there are so many empty lots downtown.

There are a ton use cases for space vacated by the Bay. I mentioned previously that it would have been an ideal location for Loblaws, as it is more central. Not to mention the LRT line stops right in front now, making it much more convenient for people along the valley line to shop for their groceries.

The space is also ideal for technical schools, which would fit well with Edmonton's goal of becoming a major hub for IT startups, etc. The space could also be turned into some form of entertainment complex, which would also compliment the theatre.

There is likely a hundred more possibilities to re-develop the space.

Hallsy's Toupee · #**243** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 4:46 AM**

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It seems absolutely ridiculous to tear down any portion of a perfectly good structure to make way for more condo buildings when there are so many empty lots downtown.

There are a ton use cases for space vacated by the Bay. I mentioned previously that it would have been an ideal location for Loblaws, as it is more central. Not to mention the LRT line stops right in front now, making it much more convenient for people along the valley line to shop for their groceries.

The space is also ideal for technical schools, which would fit well with Edmonton's goal of becoming a major hub for IT startups, etc. The space could also be turned into some form of entertainment complex, which would also compliment the theatre.

There is likely a hundred more possibilities to re-develop the space.

Do you really want all that hidden away in a Soviet-era concrete bunker surrounded by at-grade parkades? Or do you want all that in a mixed-use residential/hotel tower with a killer podium and underground parking?

YEG-Urbanist · #**244** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 2:17 PM**

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Do you really want all that hidden away in a Soviet-era concrete bunker surrounded by at-grade parkades? Or do you want all that in a mixed-use residential/hotel tower with a killer podium and underground parking?

You're suggesting that architects are not capable of re-developing building exteriors? Short sighted views like that are in of the reasons downtowns are in decline. Different building styles are what make downtowns interesting. furthermore, Take a look at the podiums of most new condo developments throughout the downtown area. Most are empty.

Also consider the environmental impact of tearing down such a huge structure.

Coldrsx · #**245** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 2:28 PM**

Gotta agree with YEG-U here.

It's what made me so furious about losing El Mira/Pat-anne for The Parks instead of building on one of the dozens of gravel lots.

Edmonton MUST work to create complete blocks (as well as streets) to improve the urban experience.

How the BOM was torn down in this real estate market is absurd.

Coldrsx · #**246** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 3:53 PM**

More information on Williams Hall:
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Reference ID: Job No 498277812-002
Description: To operate Food and Drink Services, Indoor Sales and Service, Office, and multi-unit Housing Residential, construct an addition, and exterior and interior alterations (Williams Hall): Addition to 2nd floor - (pedway connection to parkade); Addition to 8th/roof floor - Indoor amenity area; Lower Level 2 - Food and Drink Services; Lower Level 1 - 5 Food and Drink Services; Main floor - Office, Food and Drink Services, Indoor Sales and Service; 2nd floor - 6 multi-unit housing dwellings and common residential amenity area; 3rd - 7th floor - 84 mult-unit housing dwellings; 8th/roof floor - Indoor and Outdoor Residential Amenity Area; Reference development permit #275708592-001
Location: 10030 - 102A AVENUE NW
Plan F Lots 77-78
Applicant: BELJAN DEVELOPMENT MANAGEMENT
Status: In Development Review
Create Date: 2024-01-18T05:03:02Z
Neighbourhood: DOWNTOWN

TimB09 · #**247** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 5:40 PM**

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Gotta agree with YEG-U here.

It's what made me so furious about losing El Mira/Pat-anne for The Parks instead of building on one of the dozens of gravel lots.

Edmonton MUST work to create complete blocks (as well as streets) to improve the urban experience.

How the BOM was torn down in this real estate market is absurd.

Except The Parks is going on major street and is replacing a building that has had no love and care forever and was one of many eyesores in the city. No issues there.

I do agree with you on BOM, 1000%.

Coldrsx · #**248** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 6:05 PM**

An eyesore, are you kidding me?

GenWhy? · #**249** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 7:39 PM**

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More information on Williams Hall:

Ah that's such a relief to hear. Thank you for posting.

GenWhy? · #**250** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 7:43 PM**

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Gotta agree with YEG-U here.

It's what made me so furious about losing El Mira/Pat-anne for The Parks instead of building on one of the dozens of gravel lots.

Edmonton MUST work to create complete blocks (as well as streets) to improve the urban experience.

How the BOM was torn down in this real estate market is absurd.

I don't think we'd be too happy if the City did a land swap downtown with parkland (to forego park space) to preserve a 100-year old stucco apartment that needed millions in renos.

TimB09 · #**251** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 8:20 PM**

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An eyesore, are you kidding me?

The front of Jasper Ave being gone with The Parks coming up is what I was calling an eyesore.

Hardhatdan · #**252** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 8:43 PM**

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An eyesore, are you kidding me?

A neglected building by its Owner's at the end of its usable life.

Coldrsx · #**253** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 9:01 PM**

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A neglected building by its Owner's at the end of its usable life.

Allocate and approve massive FAR, density and height for the other site or even Jasper parcel IN EXCHANGE for retention, repair, renovations and PRESERVATION.

Otherwise this BS trend continues and erodes the little true character left in Edmontonchuk.

Hallsy's Toupee · #**254** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 10:09 PM**

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Allocate and approve massive FAR, density and height for the other site or even Jasper parcel IN EXCHANGE for retention, repair, renovations and PRESERVATION.

Otherwise this BS trend continues and erodes the little true character left in Edmontonchuk.

I think you need to eat a Snickers bar.

Hardhatdan · #**255** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 10:48 PM**

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Allocate and approve massive FAR, density and height for the other site or even Jasper parcel IN EXCHANGE for retention, repair, renovations and PRESERVATION.

Otherwise this BS trend continues and erodes the little true character left in Edmontonchuk.

The market is so buoyant in Edmonton that it can absorb these costs and associated complexities?

Trying to rehab a wood frame structure in a state of neglect is where money goes to die. Sometimes, after someone treats something so poorly for so long, you just can't save it, all the nice memories in the world can't unbreak it.

Coldrsx · #**256** Posted **Feb 1, 2024, 11:34 PM**

Which is unfortunate and will continue unless something changes.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Oh Edmonton.

Hardhatdan · #**257** Posted **Feb 2, 2024, 12:01 AM**

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Which is unfortunate and will continue unless something changes.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Oh Edmonton.

That didn't address a single thing I said and to paint losing a neglected, low rise, woodframe building of moderate architectural value and no historical significance on prime Downtown land as an Edmonton only problem, well that is not accurate.
The more accurate statement for Edmonton is likely; How the heck was such a structure in such a location still around in the 2020s, damn we need to get some significant redevelopment moving in the core!"

TimB09 · #**258** Posted **Feb 2, 2024, 1:52 PM**

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Which is unfortunate and will continue unless something changes.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Oh Edmonton.

Oh most cities in North America.

Coldrsx · #**259** Posted **Feb 2, 2024, 2:30 PM**

There are tools out there to exchange/transfer density or have more teeth at the LUB level.

Harrison · #**260** Posted **Feb 2, 2024, 4:42 PM**

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https://assets.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/sites/cmh...MC4w*_gcl_au*MTQ0MzYyNjA4LjE3MDY3MTYzNTM.

Good to see our vacancy rates falling in line with everyone else now, should get developers moving on some new purpose-built projects.