[Halifax] Permanent Wanderers Grounds Stadium | ? m | ? fl | Proposed

[ns_kid]

Originally Posted by IanWatson

It sounds like Howard wants to sue on the basis of the Common grant and the question of "public". Honestly that might not be a bad thing at the end of the day. For too long arguments around the Common have been tied up on debates around what constitutes public use and meets the intent of the Common grant. Having a court decision one way or another could lay this to bed and provide clarity for any future proposals for projects on the Common.

I tend to agree. If Howard and the Friends of the Treating the Common as the Personal Backyard of Entitled Southenders want to launch a legal challenge, I say have at it. To be clear, I'm no expert, nor am I a lawyer; but I struggle to see any legal leg on which they can stand.

The Common has been used since its earliest days for various public and semi-public purposes, including lumber harvesting, cattle grazing and military exercises. In more recent generations it has become home to health care, education and sports facilities (what the 2021 Common Plan calls "active recreation areas").

The Common Plan -- which, after all, is advisory only -- clearly contemplates (at section 5.4.16) some kind of permanent "Sports Field Venue" on the Wanderers Grounds. It's also worth underscoring that the Wanderers Grounds includes several permanent and long-term exclusive uses (e.g., Museum of Natural History [1970], the Lancers Equestrian Facility [1936] and the Halifax Lawn Bowling Club [1887]). Perhaps in the interest of consistency Howard is prepared to argue in court that this all should all be returned to underused green space. Somehow, I doubt it.

[Colin May]

Originally Posted by IanWatson

It sounds like Howard wants to sue on the basis of the Common grant and the question of "public". Honestly that might not be a bad thing at the end of the day. For too long arguments around the Common have been tied up on debates around what constitutes public use and meets the intent of the Common grant. Having a court decision one way or another could lay this to bed and provide clarity for any future proposals for projects on the Common.

It comes down to a legal argument as to what the existing legislation says. I believe the existing legislation trumps all previous legislation. The HRM legislation re the Halifax Common is much less definitive than the section re the Dartmouth Common - the latter clearly defines what is and is not allowed and includes the PID for each part of the Dartmouth Common. See section 66 of the link below.

For the Halifax North Common see section 66A, and Halifax Central Common see section 66B of this link :
https://nslegislature.ca/sites/default/f...%20regional%20municipality%20charter.pdf

No doubt the issue of cost and funding will be hotly debated and I note that $40,000,000 debt over 20 years would be an anomaly as the province issues municipal debt for 10 years as a way of preventing a town on city taking on too much debt.
The most recent issue of $79.55 million was a 10 year issue - the only long term issue was the Harbour Solutions project with debt issued for 20 years. and recovered through charges on the water bill - a significant investment in an essential infrastructure project with no doubt concerning the ability to meet the obligation. Interest rates for the stadium and other capital projects will be much higher in the next few years.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Colin May

Not sure why the folks in Hamilton are so heavily involved in the Wanderers.

Which folks in Hamilton? Just the facts please, spare the BS.

[Colin May]

Originally Posted by elly63

Which folks in Hamilton? Just the facts please, spare the BS.

The facts are freely available to any person or persons willing and able to find them. You just have to know where to look. Perhaps you don't know where to look.
Or perhaps you are a university graduate who never learned how to conduct research; quite common these days.

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by Colin May

The facts are freely available to any person or persons willing and able to find them. You just have to know where to look. Perhaps you don't know where to look.
Or perhaps you are a university graduate who never learned how to conduct research; quite common these days.

[q12]

Originally Posted by Colin May

The facts are freely available to any person or persons willing and able to find them. You just have to know where to look. Perhaps you don't know where to look.
Or perhaps you are a university graduate who never learned how to conduct research; quite common these days.

This guy must have lost his mind when he learned the Mooseheads are now owned by folks from Detroit and are using our public owned Scotiabank Centre...

[q12]

Canada scores second-half goals to beat Brazil


https://twitter.com/calmaclellan/status/1719496818008948754

A sold-out crowd of 6,421 soccer fans braved close to freezing temperatures Tuesday night to watch Canada edge Brazil 2-0 in women’s soccer action at outdoor Halifax stadium the Wanderers Grounds.

It wasn’t until midway through the second half that fullback Ashley Lawrence of Toronto was able to make a solid cross to forward Jordyn Huitema of Chilliwack B.C., who was ready at the far post to head it straight past Brazilian goalkeeper Luciana and into the back of the net about 70 minutes into the friendly match.

Canada’s second goal of the night came at the 89-minute mark, when Deanne Rose of Alliston, Ont., carried the ball up field and managed a right-footed shot from the centre of the box, on a headed pass from forward Cloé Lacasse of Sudbury, Ont., sending the crowd decked out in red and white into chants and cheering that echoed through downtown Halifax.

Goalkeeper Sabrina D’Angelo of Welland, Ont., earned the shutout for Canada, stopping two shots on target.

The Canada-Brazil matchup marked the second of two friendlies within four days for the international rivals, with Brazil taking the first match 1-0 on Saturday in front of another sold-out crowd at Saputo Stadium in Montreal.

The real Canadian hysterics came, however, when Canadian soccer star Christine Sinclair ran on to the field at the 78-minute mark, replacing goal-scorer Huitema, but giving fans a long-awaited glimpse of the 40-year-old forward on Nova Scotia turf.

The match marked Sinclair’s third last international appearance. After becoming the world’s all-time leading scorer with 190 goals through 289 senior appearances, she’ll retire following her final two games in her home province of B.C. The first match is set for Dec. 1 in Langford on Vancouver Island, and the second scheduled for Dec. 5 in Vancouver, which is nestled next to Sinclair’s hometown of Burnaby.

Canada has officially qualified for the 2024 Paris Olympics.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Oct. 31, 2023.

https://www.tsn.ca/soccer/canada-scores-second-half-goals-to-beat-brazil-1.2029285

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[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by q12

This guy must have lost his mind when he learned the Mooseheads are now owned by folks from Detroit and are using our public owned Scotiabank Centre...

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by q12

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Was a great game and great crowd last night!

[q12]

Show your support for the Stadium proposal here:

Show your support here

Source link is from the Halifax Wanderers website here:

https://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/wanderers-grounds





More info here:

https://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/wanderers-grounds

[Keith P.]

Is that the smoking section in the northeast corner of the stands? Dr. Strang won’t like that! ������

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Is that the smoking section in the northeast corner of the stands? Dr. Strang won’t like that! ������

Lol...Its just blue smoke fans use when the Wanderers score!

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by q12

Show your support for the Stadium proposal here:

Show your support here

Source link is from the Halifax Wanderers website here:

https://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/wanderers-grounds





More info here:

https://hfxwanderersfc.canpl.ca/wanderers-grounds

Already done! Lets hope for the best!

[TheCuriousMind]

I really hope this design is suited to add a grandstand on the south side as well if the capacity is needed in the future. It would be a classic Halifax move to build infrastructure sized for current needs and have it be obsolete in 10 years' time.

[Musquodoboit County]

What an opportunity for Halifax!
Building our first permanent 8000 seat stadium!

With the steep cost of gathering machines, equipment, tools, labourers, etc, it would make more sense to build any future extension now while building this now. It should be built to seat at least 12000. Why? Because the city needs more sports teams using this than one soccer team. We need a CFL team to play here as well.

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by TheCuriousMind

I really hope this design is suited to add a grandstand on the south side as well if the capacity is needed in the future. It would be a classic Halifax move to build infrastructure sized for current needs and have it be obsolete in 10 years' time.

It is designed to be expanded to 13,500 if needed in the future I believe.

[bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Is that the smoking section in the northeast corner of the stands? Dr. Strang won’t like that! ������

Keith, it takes a lot to make me actually lol (which I'm oddly proud of) but you're one of the few who can do that - and I needed a laugh today so thanks for that!

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by bluenoser

Keith, it takes a lot to make me actually lol (which I'm oddly proud of) but you're one of the few who can do that - and I needed a laugh today so thanks for that!

<tips hat>

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by bluenoser

Keith, it takes a lot to make me actually lol (which I'm oddly proud of) but you're one of the few who can do that - and I needed a laugh today so thanks for that!

Ditto on the laugh. I didn’t look at this until just now and I cracked up over KP’s comment! …and wondered what the h-e-double hockey stick they were smokin’!! Now zooming in closer half expecting to see Cheech and Chong smoking some Labrador….

[Colin May]

A few months ago I watched on Eastlink the NS High School Girls soccer final - CP Allen v Halifax West. Top class game with 2 very well coached teams playing a quality of football/soccer not available at any game involving Halifax Wanderers. I can see several of these girls going on to be professionals in Europe ( where the money is and where the fans are). I remind readers that boys as young as 5 are scouted in Europe, start off as affiliated with a professional team and some playing at the highest level at top ranked clubs at the age of 15. European clubs have scouts around the world with a broad network of people looking for talent, and unlike the NHL clubs will have many kids playing just one level below the first team.