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Parts of tower crane being dropped off at Icon site today!
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2024, 8:17 PM
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Man this is soooo exciting! Hopefully this means the 30-storey plan is intact!
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So what are we talking for time to complete construction - 2-3 years?
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2024, 8:23 PM
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So what are we talking for time to complete construction - 2-3 years?
St. Bernard's Place is slated for 2 years, so I'm guessing at least 3 for Icon?
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2024, 8:39 PM
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I just had to drive by and see for myself.

I can confirm a single lonely tower crane piece on the ground at the Infinity Tower site.

Perhaps even more importantly, there were workers in safety vests, surveying and hammering posts into the ground!

INFINITY TOWER is a GO!!!!!
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2024, 8:53 PM
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Coming soon to Main Street East & Harper Lane:



It almost looks like St. Bernard Place peeking out from in behind the rear end of the Infinity tower. I think they knew.
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So if the tower is a go, that likely means that they they’ll have crews working on both this project and the Riverview projects for the next little bit. Makes sense though. If they hire a bunch of framers and dry wallers for example, having a second project to work on, will keep them busy for longer, until they get more floors of the infinity tower built.
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I would assume that they will start in the spring? Probably get the equipment on the property now, so the are ready to go! Though I hope we see them start building as soon as they can!
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Great location!
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They'll probably pour the base of the tower crane through the winter, since it would be smaller and easier to insulate through the winter. Maybe do some more foundation prepwork before the thaw happens. (IIRC, one of the Rookwood towers here in Freddy, they poured the crane base in the winter as well). That would let them set the crane up as soon as possible and start construction as soon as the weather cooperates.
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What a change in feel to this area this building will bring. To me that dead space beside staples was always where our downtown ended and now this will extend the urban feel almost right up to the dieppe/moncton boundary.

Has there ever been any talk about the lots on 348 or 388 Main St, or the land directly across the street? Believe one of them is just being used as monthly parking right now.
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This is great news for Moncton. As a lifelong Saint Johner I always thought Moncton lacked any kind of cohesive "downtown". Recent developments seem to be moving to correct this and build towards that critical mass in one. Congrats! Exciting times to be a Monctonian.

Now, if SJ's developers could only take lessons from Moncton's about how to not only propose a project and get it approved but also how to actually move on to construction and completion in a timely manner....
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The vacant lot next to (west) the Infinity project is considerably larger than the ICON property. I believe Irving owns this it, but apparently they're not accustomed to selling off their land.
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This is great news for Moncton. As a lifelong Saint Johner I always thought Moncton lacked any kind of cohesive "downtown". Recent developments seem to be moving to correct this and build towards that critical mass in one. Congrats! Exciting times to be a Monctonian.

Now, if SJ's developers could only take lessons from Moncton's about how to not only propose a project and get it approved but also how to actually move on to construction and completion in a timely manner....
You're right. SJ's downtown definitely has the better downtown vibe what with all the flyover/overpass roads, the area around Queen's Square having a nice elevation that lends more height to the buildings, and frankly as a ship/port enthusiast, I've always been jealous of that so it's nice to see Moncton moving to a similar direction, getting some height instead of more sprawl.

While I do enjoy some rivalry between the 2 cities, perhaps this can be a template for SJ. I occasionally lurk SJ threads and I get the feeling NIMBYism is a lot worse there?
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You're right. SJ's downtown definitely has the better downtown vibe what with all the flyover/overpass roads
This isn't a good thing.
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This isn't a good thing.
I didn't say we need to have those. I just listed things that added to the vibe. In the latter part of my comment, I specified I'm happy we're getting height instead of sprawl.
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This is great news for Moncton. As a lifelong Saint Johner I always thought Moncton lacked any kind of cohesive "downtown". Recent developments seem to be moving to correct this and build towards that critical mass in one. Congrats! Exciting times to be a Monctonian.
I don't disagree with your characterization of the existing downtown core of Moncton.

The difference in the character of downtown Moncton (compared to SJ, Halifax, Freddy and Charlottetown) goes all the way back to the founding of each of these communities.

Each of the other significant Maritime cities were developed as planned communities.

Freddy, Charlottetown and Halifax are all capital cities, and were planned with street grids, and land set aside specifically for significant buildings such as cathedrals, court houses and legislatures. Development proceeded accordongly along those plans.

Saint John is a little different. It did serve transiently as colonial capital before Freddy inherited the mantle, but SJ was the main port of NB at a time when all commerce was shipborn, and received a huge influx of population in 1783 as a result of the expulsion of the Loyalist population from the new US. It was therefore assumed that SJ would be NB's metropolis, and was planned as such, with a proper street grid (at least for the uptown peninsula).

Moncton on the other hand is the accidental city.

There has been near continual European settlement in Moncton for a very long time (since 1733), but, Moncton began as a farming settlement, and remained as such for well over a century. It was only with the arrival of shipbuilding, and then the railway, that population growth began to happen. In many ways, Moncton didn't really take off until the 1890s. Up to that point, a single downtown main street was more than enough to service the community.

Even though continual growth in Moncton has become the norm, and the CMA is now the largest in the province, it is difficult for the city to escape it's roots. Happily this is beginning to happen.

I have always felt that physiographically, Moncton has more in common with cities in western Canada than with it's Maritime brethren. Many cities in the Prairies and BC also began to mature in the 1890s and early 20th century, and also were not planned communities. Growth in many of those cities are similar to Moncton's. The largest of these (like Saskatoon) have broken out of the "glorified Main Street" mode, and have developed a cohesive downtown core. I think the same thing is about to happen to Moncton, especially given the opportunity to develop the lands south of Main Street.
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You're right. SJ's downtown definitely has the better downtown vibe what with all the flyover/overpass roads, the area around Queen's Square having a nice elevation that lends more height to the buildings, and frankly as a ship/port enthusiast, I've always been jealous of that so it's nice to see Moncton moving to a similar direction, getting some height instead of more sprawl.

While I do enjoy some rivalry between the 2 cities, perhaps this can be a template for SJ. I occasionally lurk SJ threads and I get the feeling NIMBYism is a lot worse there?
I think SJ does suffer from a certain amount of NIMBY-ism but on the other hand, what is being proposed isn't always particularly attractive, overly desirable or appropriate to the neighbourhood in question. I think Moncton does a better job in producing desirable and attractive development in general.

Not all development is automatically good and not all opposition to a particular proposal is always wrong.
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I think SJ does suffer from a certain amount of NIMBY-ism but on the other hand, what is being proposed isn't always particularly attractive, overly desirable or appropriate to the neighbourhood in question.
one of the most striking features of the uptown peninsula in SJ is it's heritage built form. It is unique in Canada in many ways. Especially with certain streetscapes, great care should be taken in the stature, form and cladding of any new developments that might be considered.

This does not imply that SJ should be frozen in time. There are many areas in the uptown when large developments of considerable stature would be most welcome, but, there are certainly heritage streetscapes as well that should not be monkeyed with.
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one of the most striking features of the uptown peninsula in SJ is it's heritage built form. It is unique in Canada in many ways. Especially with certain streetscapes, great care should be taken in the stature, form and cladding of any new developments that might be considered.

This does not imply that SJ should be frozen in time. There are many areas in the uptown when large developments of considerable stature would be most welcome, but, there are certainly heritage streetscapes as well that should not be monkeyed with.
^This! I'm a big proponent of the right development in the right place.

I worry that with the current housing shortages some very unfortunate decisions may be made as councils are pressured to approve everything and anything.

I do like that the housing accelerator funding for SJ acknowledged "the missing middle".....something that hasn't gotten much attention in all the proposals for cookie cutter 4-6 story boxes.
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