Statistics Canada Reports II

[MolsonExport]

^woot woot! I remember when Quebec passed 8 million. It took yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrsssssssssss for Quebec to move from 7 to 8 million, but 8 to 9 million has been quite quick.

It is very gratifying to see Quebec (and Montreal) revitalized and growing after years of slow growth.

[kwoldtimer]

Ontario at 16,000,000 by mid-year?

[giallo]

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

You have the numbers: 5.5% of asylum seekers. Hardly an "inordinate number" and not worth damaging relations with one of our biggest trading partners, like what happened under Harper.

I've been on the Aeromexico flights from MEX to YUL – they're full of Mexican tourists and businesspeople coming here to spend money.

Indeed. Vancouver is full of Mexican tourists (mostly families) these days, and it's great to see. They always seem to be really enjoying themselves.

[savevp]

The 'too many Mexican refugees' seemed a weird angle at first. But I read in the paper this morning that Marc Miller will be meeting his Mexican counterpart to discuss a surge of dodgy asylum claims coming from Mexican tourists. Apparently this is an actual issue now.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/c...ylum-seekers-mexico-minister-2024-01-21/

[LuluBobo]

When are we supposed to get 2023 CMA populations? The 2022 ones came out over a year ago now

[Kilgore Trout]

Originally Posted by savevp

The 'too many Mexican refugees' seemed a weird angle at first. But I read in the paper this morning that Marc Miller will be meeting his Mexican counterpart to discuss a surge of dodgy asylum claims coming from Mexican tourists. Apparently this is an actual issue now.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/c...ylum-seekers-mexico-minister-2024-01-21/

As the article mentions, it's because of political pressure from Legault. The CAQ is xenophobic to begin with, and they're using asylum seekers to distract from their disastrous governance – little things like the strike that dragged on far longer than necessary, or ERs being at 200% capacity right now, or the affordable housing crisis. Quebec is performing worse today than it was when the CAQ was elected in 2018 and Legault is desperate to find a way to make people forget that.

Asylum seekers and immigrants aren't responsible for crumbling healthcare and education, and the roots of the housing crisis go back well before the post-Covid surge in new arrivals. But they sure do make a convenient scapegoat.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by savevp

The 'too many Mexican refugees' seemed a weird angle at first. But I read in the paper this morning that Marc Miller will be meeting his Mexican counterpart to discuss a surge of dodgy asylum claims coming from Mexican tourists. Apparently this is an actual issue now.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/c...ylum-seekers-mexico-minister-2024-01-21/

It's politically difficult both wrt Mexico and in the context of U.S. elections that could see Trump taking drastic measures on the southern border (at least). It could be that they'll wait to see if Trump is elected before acting.

[sunsetmountainland]

Originally Posted by LuluBobo

When are we supposed to get 2023 CMA populations? The 2022 ones came out over a year ago now

Statistics Canada said its official population estimates for the 2022-2023 period are scheduled to be released on May 22.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatoon-population-grows-by-14400-1.7089320

[MolsonExport]

Quebec 8,999,156

Just another 844 people to hit the magic number. Will Legault (who up until 6 months ago, could do no wrong) say anything when the threshold is crossed?

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Quebec 8,999,156

Just another 844 people to hit the magic number. Will Legault (who up until 6 months ago, could do no wrong) say anything when the threshold is crossed?

Given his recent letter to GofC, he'd not have anything positive to say about it.

[Kilgore Trout]

In 2021 the Institut de la statistique du Québec predicted that Quebec would hit 9 million people in... 2027

https://statistique.quebec.ca/fr/communi...-10-millions-de-personnes-au-quebec-2066

The same year they were also predicting Montreal would undergo a long-term period of stagnation or decline. They were basically assuming that the early-Covid outflux of people, combined with a total lack of immigration, would continue indefinitely.

[MolsonExport]

Not surprising, but shortsighted, as immigrants have always overwhelmingly concentrated in the Montreal area. Very few immigrants (at least initially) settle in "Les régions". QC gets a lot of within-province migration (including old-stock francophone Montrealers, but still, very few immigrants. Montreal of course is the soddom and gomorrah of Quebec, which is why it is so beloved (and mistrusted by sovereigntists)

[MolsonExport]

Population observée et projetée selon le scénario, Québec, 1986-2066


statistique.quebec.ca

[ToxiK]

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

As the article mentions, it's because of political pressure from Legault. The CAQ is xenophobic to begin with, and they're using asylum seekers to distract from their disastrous governance – little things like the strike that dragged on far longer than necessary, or ERs being at 200% capacity right now, or the affordable housing crisis. Quebec is performing worse today than it was when the CAQ was elected in 2018 and Legault is desperate to find a way to make people forget that.

Asylum seekers and immigrants aren't responsible for crumbling healthcare and education, and the roots of the housing crisis go back well before the post-Covid surge in new arrivals. But they sure do make a convenient scapegoat.

This because of attitudes like yours that we can't have a real discussion on immigration in Canada. Someone hold an opinion different than your preferred one, therefore xenophobes and racists...

[urbandreamer]

Having spent some time in various Ontario hospitals last year, particularly ERs, many of the problems stem from Covid19 backlogs and this recent surge in immigration. I suspect in Quebec things are similar. For example, thinking about Grand River Hospital in Kitchener, the new normal is a recently arrived South Asian family swarms the front entrance, bringing their extended family for something minor like "baby with a cold" or grandma has a headache etc. And the third element seemed to be low income Canadians, probably in denial they actually just had Covid19 or something related to alcohol or drug abuse.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

Asylum seekers and immigrants aren't responsible for crumbling healthcare and education, and the roots of the housing crisis go back well before the post-Covid surge in new arrivals. But they sure do make a convenient scapegoat.

There are other factors as well, but when the Feds add millions more people than anyone expected it is going to cause significant problems across the board. If Trudeau had told premiers in 2015 he was planning to add 5 million people (and maybe provided some funding) it might have been a different story.

[Martin Mtl]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

This because of attitudes like yours that we can't have a real discussion on immigration in Canada. Someone hold an opinion different than your preferred one, therefore xenophobes and racists...

He said that the CAQ is xenophobic. And that's true.


In 2022, during the election campaign, the Quebec Minister of Immigration, Jean Boullet, said this without blinking an eye:

« 80 % des immigrants s’en vont à Montréal, travaillent pas, ne parlent pas français ou n’adhèrent pas aux valeurs de la société québécoise.»

(“80% of immigrants go to Montreal, do not work, do not speak French or do not adhere to the values ​​of Quebec society.”)

Disgusting. And he was re-elected, of course.

[ssiguy]

There is no two ways around it, our mass immigration has had very detrimental effects of our healthcare, education, social services, and housing affordability. TFW, refugees, and students more so because they offer little back in terms of economic growth and seem to do nothing but suppress our wages and lower our productivity.

[sunsetmountainland]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

There is no two ways around it, our mass immigration has had very detrimental effects of our healthcare, education, social services, and housing affordability. TFW, refugees, and students more so because they offer little back in terms of economic growth and seem to do nothing but suppress our wages and lower our productivity.

Your assessment is completely correct. It is sad but Canada is becoming a third world county our government is our problem.

[ssiguy]

Saw an interesting interview on BNN today talking about the lower levels of students entering into the country.

Benjamin Tal, the Chief Deputy Economist at CIBC. said it was great news and long overdue. He stated clearly that these students often go to fly by night colleges and 20% don't even go to class but use it as a backdoor to get into the country. He also stated that they were putting undue pressure on our healthcare system and of course housing crisis and especially rentals as most students rent.

When asked about how businesses would complain about not getting enough workers {as many are foreign students}, he said that was great news. He explicitly said that our high levels of immigration have been hurting our productivity and lowering our standard of living. While other countries with labour shortages have to invest in their workers and new technology to grow their economy all Canada does is import cheap labour which businesses use as an excuse to not invest in their own businesses or work creatively to raise production.

He stated what everyone knows {except Trudeau & Company}........importing cheap labour is a race to the bottom and countries don't get wealthy by cheap labour but rather high productivity which means getting more production out of each worker.

Reducing our student intake by 35% is a good start but only a start. We should be dramatically reducing all of our immigrant numbers by getting rid of family reunification, dropping our immigrant levels by half as well as refugees, cutting our TFW by at least 70% {except seasonal farm workers} and only allowing in students & immigrants who are going into very select areas such as engineering, high-tech, medical care, and construction. Outside of those areas, and perhaps other niche ones, no one should get into the country.