Manitoba | Highways

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Carboy15

Exactly. I would want the roadside services, such as Hotels and Gas Stations to be seen on the TCH. So that people can easily get off and get back onto the highway. A North Bypass realignment wouldn't work for that.

This is off topic, but do you think that Brandon should get a Costco? Hopefully located along the TCH.

Brandon's too small of a market for a Costco. There are larger population centres than Brandon which do not have a Costco. These include: Thunder Bay, Charlottetown, Cape Breton Regional Municipality (Sydney, NS), Fort McMurray, etc. The largest Costco location in Canada is in St. John's at 182K sq. ft.

[Dengler Avenue]

IIRC, Costco was almost going to establish a location in the township of Shuniah adjacent to T Bay, and T Bay said no.

[Biff]

I would drive to a Costco in Brandon...it would have to be easier and quicker than going to the Costco on Regent.

[drew]

^ I was in there last night, first time at that location. We were in the area for kids sports...

Arrived just before 8pm. In and out by 8:30 - including a hotdog!

[Biff]

I guess that might be the trick, go right before closing. Thankfully my wife does most of the shopping. We tried to go last Sunday for an exchange and after unsuccessfully trying to find a parking spot in the furthest reaches of the parking lot we gave up.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Costco?

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk that.

[harls]

My parents live an hour south of Brandon and get Costco delivered to them in a couple of days.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by harls

My parents live an hour south of Brandon and get Costco delivered to them in a couple of days.

That would be the way to go. Having a large freezer would be the only way to go for me to make Costco pay.

Sorry for the de-rail.
Lets go back to railing against a province that thinks grade separated interchanges are 3 shades of hell.

[bomberjet]

In lieu of cloverleafs, what is the preferable systems interchange? In no way is Manitoba in a position to do full stack or something like that. Getting them to build the one directional flyover is difficult enough, like the 59N/101 interchange.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

In lieu of cloverleafs, what is the preferable systems interchange? In no way is Manitoba in a position to do full stack or something like that. Getting them to build the one directional flyover is difficult enough, like the 59N/101 interchange.

If even that is difficult, then Manitoba’s hopeless.
There are plenty of examples of alternatives in Ontario (like 401 & 410, 401 & 427, 401 & 400, 401 & 404, 407 & 404, 407 & 427 which may resemble a cloverleaf, 407 & 410).

[harls]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

If even that is difficult, then Manitoba’s hopeless.
There are plenty of examples of alternatives in Ontario (like 401 & 410, 401 & 427, 401 & 400, 401 & 404, 407 & 404, 407 & 427 which may resemble a cloverleaf, 407 & 410).

I think something like what is in Repentigny in Quebec would work well in a place like Brandon. Early exit lanes into crazy long collectors. Like Exit for 18th St AND 1st street coming from the west, and vice versa. Dunno.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.7588066,-73.4513262,14z?entry=ttu

[bodaggin]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

In lieu of cloverleafs, what is the preferable systems interchange?

There really isn't until traffic volumes get huge.

Clovers with collectors are the best bang for buck because they only require 1 bridge. Their capacity exceeds diamonds, diverging diamonds, parclos.

Only direct free-flowing interchanges like 4-level stacks, pinavia's or turbines have higher capacity. Stacks are 4-levels of mega bridges, so mega money.

Turbines can be more cost effective since they only require 5-9 bridges (pending design), and make better use of terraforming. But again, 400-800% more bridges for only 50% more capacity than clover. Bang for buck.

Clovers in the prairies work. We're small and light and have space. For busy Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, NYC, LA, etc, yes, 4-level stacks every 5-10 miles. Phoenix has one of the best road designs in USA IMO. It's all Stacks, Diamonds and SPUI's. Excellent flow.

[Dengler Avenue]

At a mile apart, the EB on-ramp from 18th Street probably doesn’t need to become the off-ramp for 1st Street.
Future 4 lanes of PTH-10 will probably use PTH-110 anyway so we don’t have to do anything fancy at 1st Street (PTH-10 North, PTH-1A South).
As for that interchange at Repentigny, are you thinking of A-40 & A-640? Since A-640 is supposed to be a bypass, really, there needs to be a flyover from A-640 east to A-40 east as well. I do agree with the use of collector lanes there to take care of the next exit further east, though.

I mean, if people insist on cloverleaf with collectors, I’m fine with that. Here’s hoping that population growth doesn’t explode to the point that those structures have to be redone within their lifespan.

Ps: Alberta’s on the Prairie too, and even it is converting its cloverleafs. Saskatchewan doesn’t use a cloverleaf for Regina Bypass at SK-6 either. It’s even thinking of rebuilding the cloverleaf at Yellowhead Highway and Louis Riel Trail in Saskatoon.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

If even that is difficult, then Manitoba’s hopeless.
There are plenty of examples of alternatives in Ontario (like 401 & 410, 401 & 427, 401 & 400, 401 & 404, 407 & 404, 407 & 427 which may resemble a cloverleaf, 407 & 410).

That's what I'm saying. Manitoba will never build that type of stuff with directional ramps going allover. You'll get cloverleafs with maybe one directional ramp.

[harls]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

At a mile apart, the EB on-ramp from 18th Street probably doesn’t need to become the off-ramp for 1st Street.
Future 4 lanes of PTH-10 will probably use PTH-110 anyway so we don’t have to do anything fancy at 1st Street (PTH-10 North, PTH-1A South).
As for that interchange at Repentigny, are you thinking of A-40 & A-640? Since A-640 is supposed to be a bypass, really, there needs to be a flyover from A-640 east to A-40 east as well. I do agree with the use of collector lanes there to take care of the next exit further east, though.

I mean, if people insist on cloverleaf with collectors, I’m fine with that. Here’s hoping that population growth doesn’t explode to the point that those structures have to be redone within their lifespan.

Ps: Alberta’s on the Prairie too, and even it is converting its cloverleafs. Saskatchewan doesn’t use a cloverleaf for Regina Bypass at SK-6 either. It’s even thinking of rebuilding the cloverleaf at Yellowhead Highway and Louis Riel Trail in Saskatoon.

I'd love for Manitoba to implement North Dakota style highway standards through its cities, the few that it has.

[harls]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

As for that interchange at Repentigny, are you thinking of A-40 & A-640? .

No, just on the 40 past the 640, Industriel, Valmont.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by bodaggin

Phoenix has one of the best road designs in USA IMO. It's all Stacks, Diamonds and SPUI's. Excellent flow.

But in exchange you get suburban hell for miles and miles haha.

[bodaggin]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

In lieu of cloverleafs, what is the preferable systems interchange?

The SPUI is probably the most innovative interchange ever. But for specific applications. Namely where 90%+ of traffic is turning to enter/exit the freeway below. You want minimal cross traffic (non-turning traffic going straight over the bridge).

Say a freeway access point to a large residential subdivision on each side.

The SPUI allows an "open tap" onto, and off of the freeway, from BOTH sides, in BOTH directions for morning and evening commuters. The light stays green draining the freeway. Incredible capacity in this application. This eliminates a chokepoint for traffic exiting the freeway, which could pile up and clog the freeway itself if not using a SPUI. Brilliant intersection.

[harls]

I think bodaggin should move to Phoenix just to lower his blood pressure.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by harls

I think bodaggin should move to Phoenix just to lower his blood pressure.

I suspect there's a correlation between the superior quality of the freeways in Pheonix and the low QoL if you're not a 65 year old retiree from Minnesota haha.