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Old Posted Jan 18, 2024, 4:41 PM
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That's certainly possible. My biggest concern is that there appears to be no acknowledgement of the large discrepancy between the funding amounts for the two cities nor any explanation of why it exists.

The reasons may well be benign and logical but absent any explanation it's only natural to wonder about what role back room political influence played. Given the large disparity in power and influence within government between Dominic LeBlanc and Ginette Petitpas-Taylor on one hand and Wayne Long on the other I think such thoughts are only natural.
It will be interesting to see how much Fredericton receives.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2024, 4:53 PM
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That's certainly possible. My biggest concern is that there appears to be no acknowledgement of the large discrepancy between the funding amounts for the two cities nor any explanation of why it exists.

The reasons may well be benign and logical but absent any explanation it's only natural to wonder about what role back room political influence played. Given the large disparity in power and influence within government between Dominic LeBlanc and Ginette Petitpas-Taylor on one hand and Wayne Long on the other I think such thoughts are only natural.
Yeah all Trudeau said when asked by media how they came to that amount was that "There is a lot of hard work and a lot of partnership going into looking at what could actually be done, what is the right level.

"We came down with an agreement around $9.18 million for the Housing Accelerator Fund, which we feel is the right level to really enable Saint John to accelerate to get more homes built faster, to get people into those homes in an affordable way, and we're really pleased with that announcement.".

The mayor said she is not turning her nose up to $9.18 million, that’s pretty good.


Also separate from this particular conversation, I want to mention on here that at the growth committee meeting 2 days ago, councillor Gerry Lowe voiced that “I think we should compare ourselves to ourselves. Saint John is not Moncton … we’re a different city altogether.”

“We’re an industrial city where we’ve gotta get changes in taxes. When we get changes in taxes, we would compete with anybody. Simple as that.”

Deputy Mayor John Mackenzie, who chairs the committee, had agreed with Lowe and said he is “very impressed” with where Saint John’s numbers are trending.

“There’s nothing wrong with those numbers whatsoever. We’re talking about growth and we’re talking about health growth.”

I agree with his opinion, we shouldn’t keep comparing ourselves to other cities. We are all different, and I agree with if taxes were changed, the city would be a lot better financially/economically.

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Old Posted Jan 18, 2024, 6:15 PM
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^— Plus, if we compare Saint John’s growth now to what it was over the past few decades, we are light years ahead of where we were.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2024, 6:57 PM
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It's all well and good to be positive and "glass half full" but Moncton has gone from being about half the size of Saint John in the 1950's to passing us in the early 2000's. Today in terms of economic growth, development and population growth they continue to outstrip us. It's just not good enough to say, "oh well, at least we've stopped shrinking" or "well, we grew too but just at half the pace". Council, business, local MLA's and our regional MP's need to hustle relentlessly and unceasingly to promote growth and development.

If another city or cities in NB are outperforming us no good will come from standing around and congratulating ourselves for "not doing too badly" .

Sorry if that seems harsh but in a competition between regions or cities for things like economic growth, jobs, and government spending there are winners and losers. Better to be one than the other. When you come in second it doesn't mean "hey, we did OK" it means you need to work harder/smarter.

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Old Posted Jan 18, 2024, 9:08 PM
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Yeah all Trudeau said when asked by media how they came to that amount was that "There is a lot of hard work and a lot of partnership going into looking at what could actually be done, what is the right level.

"We came down with an agreement around $9.18 million for the Housing Accelerator Fund, which we feel is the right level to really enable Saint John to accelerate to get more homes built faster, to get people into those homes in an affordable way, and we're really pleased with that announcement.".

The mayor said she is not turning her nose up to $9.18 million, that’s pretty good.


Also separate from this particular conversation, I want to mention on here that at the growth committee meeting 2 days ago, councillor Gerry Lowe voiced that “I think we should compare ourselves to ourselves. Saint John is not Moncton … we’re a different city altogether.”

“We’re an industrial city where we’ve gotta get changes in taxes. When we get changes in taxes, we would compete with anybody. Simple as that.”

Deputy Mayor John Mackenzie, who chairs the committee, had agreed with Lowe and said he is “very impressed” with where Saint John’s numbers are trending.

“There’s nothing wrong with those numbers whatsoever. We’re talking about growth and we’re talking about health growth.”

I agree with his opinion, we shouldn’t keep comparing ourselves to other cities. We are all different, and I agree with if taxes were changed, the city would be a lot better financially/economically.
Of course in reality, Saint John's total isn't far above Shediac with its population of 11,000. Shediac issued permits worth $105 million last year, compared to Saint John's $148 million.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2024, 10:38 PM
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That's awesome numbers for them I just don't get too focused on this big competition of "who's outperforming the others", and genuinely don't really understand the need to be. I like to see and celebrate any and all growth from any city or community. We all have our own differences and challenges, and will grow at our own varying paces. At the end of the day, I myself don't really care who's "#1 in the province". I like where I live, and love seeing the growth happening here.

Overall in general, I feel that talk and comments that can be seen as being negative or trying to knockdown/downplay any positive growth news about a city or area, really doesn't help or encourage the growth. It potentially makes some people look elsewhere or start forming negative impressions. I've seen so many people online talking down about SJ, some being very unnecessarily rude. Some spreading incorrect (not up to date) information. (A lot of times they think nothing at all has changed or improved since decades ago). But there are sometimes comments that have some valid points. Then sometimes they are just simply saying it to be a troll lol.

I'm not saying all this to start arguing. Genuinely this is just me wanting to post about how I feel based on what I've been seeing online for a long while. Everyone is entitled to have their own thoughts and opinions. Not everyone is going to agree, and I'll respect that. So let's just not get too overly focused on comparing the numbers all the time. Let's continue to celebrate the recent growth of the whole entire province and look forward to more developments happening over the coming years.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2024, 12:58 AM
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MP Wayne Long teasing yet another announcement coming. Really pumping out the announcements the past few weeks lol.

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Another major announcement coming tomorrow!
Before this crazy world I currently am in, I was an entrepreneur! Stay tuned tomorrow for an amazing step forward in helping new entrepreneurs reach success".
https://www.facebook.com/WayneLongMP/pos...cFbtu98fRApX2kDcZh9saY4ZEZJnvixyFEYwbWkl
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2024, 12:41 PM
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MP Wayne Long teasing yet another announcement coming. Really pumping out the announcements the past few weeks lol.



https://www.facebook.com/WayneLongMP/pos...cFbtu98fRApX2kDcZh9saY4ZEZJnvixyFEYwbWkl
He has to get all of his work done before he turns to Provincial politics in a few short months.

Agree or disagree with who he aligns himself with, he has brought a helluva lot of federal dollars to a riding that was seemingly ignored by his predecessor.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2024, 12:58 PM
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He has to get all of his work done before he turns to Provincial politics in a few short months.

Agree or disagree with who he aligns himself with, he has brought a helluva lot of federal dollars to a riding that was seemingly ignored by his predecessor.
While I disagree with his political affiliation and many of his policy positions I will admit he has done a good job in accessing government funding for SJ. Especially when you consider he was never in a position of influence in the government or within the party.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2024, 1:37 PM
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Weston did bring in needed money for the port modernization, post-secondary, and W&S projects. Long is just much more PR savvy and press friendly (not a bad thing). The Harper government wasn't exactly throwing money around, either.

$68M port modernization https://www.sjport.com/news/government-o...y-improvements-to-the-port-of-saint-john

$57M clean drinking water P3 https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/news/news_release.2013.11.1202.html

$8M UNBSJ/NBCC https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/news/news_release.2009.06.0816.html

What is Long's plan if Holt wins? Run for Mayor in 2026? He could walk into the job. I can't imagine he'd be keen on slogging up to Fredericton for a ministry or the opposition back benches. The timing is on his side.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2024, 2:26 PM
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3 new upcoming apartments project listings have been updated on Jan.18th, 2024 on ConstructConnect website.
  • Valued at $7-million, start date of October 2024.
  • Valued at $8-million, start date of March 2025.
  • Valued at $14-million, start date of June 2025.

Source: https://canada.constructconnect.com/dcn/...0John%20County%7CNew%20Brunswick~&stage=

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Old Posted Jan 20, 2024, 1:30 AM
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3 new upcoming apartments project listings have been updated on Jan.18th, 2024 on ConstructConnect website.
  • Valued at $7-million, start date of October 2024.
  • Valued at $8-million, start date of March 2025.
  • Valued at $14-million, start date of June 2025.

Source: https://canada.constructconnect.com/dcn/...0John%20County%7CNew%20Brunswick~&stage=

My guess Cambridge Estates apartments
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2024, 6:16 PM
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With Fredericton getting a similar Housing Accelerator Fund (HAF) funding announcement today, I did a rudimentary calculation of the support per unit offered based on the numbers quoted in the press releases. Basically the per-unit funding was pretty even across the board in all three cities ($31,500-33,000/each), the difference seems to be the amount of housing units they are tracking in each city.
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2024, 8:30 PM
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With Fredericton getting a similar Housing Accelerator Fund (HAF) funding announcement today, I did a rudimentary calculation of the support per unit offered based on the numbers quoted in the press releases. Basically the per-unit funding was pretty even across the board in all three cities ($31,500-33,000/each), the difference seems to be the amount of housing units they are tracking in each city.
AllNB says Saint John will be more focused on leveraging underused public lands (parking lots, Land Bank, 'abandoned recreational space', etc) than directly subsidizing projects. From my reading it sounds like they want to align CMHC, city-owned land, and interested developers. No idea what tactic Moncton or Fredericton are taking.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2024, 1:41 AM
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AllNB says Saint John will be more focused on leveraging underused public lands (parking lots, Land Bank, 'abandoned recreational space', etc) than directly subsidizing projects. From my reading it sounds like they want to align CMHC, city-owned land, and interested developers. No idea what tactic Moncton or Fredericton are taking.
Moncton wants CFB Moncton lands
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2024, 2:47 PM
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Seeing active excavation going on right beside PetSmart at EastPoint. Not a very big footprint but looks like they have dug down at least 6-8 feet on one side of it so far.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2024, 3:34 PM
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Seeing active excavation going on right beside PetSmart at EastPoint. Not a very big footprint but looks like they have dug down at least 6-8 feet on one side of it so far.
Nobody knows what store it will be, even PetSmart employees
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2024, 6:10 PM
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Nobody knows what store it will be, even PetSmart employees
Isn't this supposed to be the site of the new apartment development? Maybe some preliminary digging for underground parking?
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2024, 6:19 PM
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Isn't this supposed to be the site of the new apartment development? Maybe some preliminary digging for underground parking?
I believe the apartment buildings were originally planned for the central open area - between the existing roads, nearer to the Taste of Egypt parking lot. Not up against the rock face. or perhaps plans have changed since I last saw the plan.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2024, 9:05 PM
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They are referring to the small empty lot directly touching the side of PetSmart. The apartments are going in the central empty land next to this. Two separate areas/projects. The one they are talking about is an extension to the Sobeys Extra building to accommodate a new retailer.
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