The Official PEI Project Thread

[josh_cat_eyes]

Originally Posted by Siriusb

A zoning bylaw that is meant for 1969 not 2023. The 50' will do nothing for the housing problem.

How did other buildings like Holman Grand, Maritime Electric building, National Bank building and the BDC building get built? They’re all over this height. They should just do away with this bylaw if it’s already been broken. Downtown Charlottetown is already pretty dense but there is a ton of demand for more density. They are shooting themselves in the foot by not allowing it.

[TGK]

Originally Posted by josh_cat_eyes

How did other buildings like Holman Grand, Maritime Electric building, National Bank building and the BDC building get built? They’re all over this height. They should just do away with this bylaw if it’s already been broken. Downtown Charlottetown is already pretty dense but there is a ton of demand for more density. They are shooting themselves in the foot by not allowing it.

Those buildings are in downtown core zoning, Queen is zoned downtown Main Street.

[Siriusb]

Calvary Church project

As you know, BGI, for Calvary Church, submitted their proposal for redevelopment of the Calvary Church property at the end of April.

The company has had little in the way of response.
Ian Jones from BGI said, "It's just been a simple answer, when we know we'll let you know, which frankly isn't acceptable."

"We've got banks, we've got CMHC, we've got everybody that might be interested in it all sort of treading water. And that's not usually the way we do things."

A spokesperson for the city told CBC News it cannot discuss development projects at this stage of the application process.

In more general terms, the city noted in an email to CBC News it was recently ranked number one in Canada for approval timelines by the Canadian Homebuilders' Association.

"Timeframes are largely contingent on project complexity and the planning processes that are required," the email said.

Simple structures such as sheds might be approved in a week, the city said, while major subdivisions might take a year. Some applications may require consultation with public works, water and sewer utility, parks and recreation, Charlottetown Fire Department, heritage, police, and environment and sustainability.

If construction is able to start, said Jones, he expects the church would be ready in 12 to 15 months, and the apartment buildings in two to three years.

So here lies the issue with this city, delay, delay, delay. This is one reason why we can't find housing. Is it deliberate! Are there elements within our city hall that would rather delay projects, just so they can further be delayed by IRAC appeals and public negative reaction. By what we've seen with the Porthouse project, this is what it looks like.

MORE HERE about this project 》https://www.calvarycharlottetown.com/news/calvary-church-makes-the-news

[Monctoncore]

Originally Posted by Siriusb

Calvary Church project

As you know, BGI, for Calvary Church, submitted their proposal for redevelopment of the Calvary Church property at the end of April.

The company has had little in the way of response.
Ian Jones from BGI said, "It's just been a simple answer, when we know we'll let you know, which frankly isn't acceptable."

"We've got banks, we've got CMHC, we've got everybody that might be interested in it all sort of treading water. And that's not usually the way we do things."

A spokesperson for the city told CBC News it cannot discuss development projects at this stage of the application process.

In more general terms, the city noted in an email to CBC News it was recently ranked number one in Canada for approval timelines by the Canadian Homebuilders' Association.

"Timeframes are largely contingent on project complexity and the planning processes that are required," the email said.

Simple structures such as sheds might be approved in a week, the city said, while major subdivisions might take a year. Some applications may require consultation with public works, water and sewer utility, parks and recreation, Charlottetown Fire Department, heritage, police, and environment and sustainability.

If construction is able to start, said Jones, he expects the church would be ready in 12 to 15 months, and the apartment buildings in two to three years.

So here lies the issue with this city, delay, delay, delay. This is one reason why we can't find housing. Is it deliberate! Are there elements within our city hall that would rather delay projects, just so they can further be delayed by IRAC appeals and public negative reaction. By what we've seen with the Porthouse project, this is what it looks like.

MORE HERE about this project 》https://www.calvarycharlottetown.com/news/calvary-church-makes-the-news

Conspiracy time, but I think you are right, I legit think there are people in both local and provincial politics working in the background who are trying to make it so private developers fail, in hopes that the government will build it.

[josh_cat_eyes]

If I was a guy like Tim Banks, I would have left the city long ago for greener pastures on the mainland. Heck, even if he wanted to stay in PEI, it’s easier to build a tall building in downtown Summerside than it is in Charlottetown.
I think if someone was really smart, they’d buy a huge amount of land in Cornwall between Howard’s Creek, Ferry Road and York Point Road and build the town a proper high density downtown. The land is pretty flat, and you could pretty easily build a medium to high density neighborhood there pretty easily.

[WhipperSnapper]

A hard cap of five storeys is definitely restrictive. There's still room in it to add a lot of housing downtown. No one is going to spend money on multi-level underground facilities in Charlottetown. Any residential high rise will either have supplementary surface parking or podium parking. Open space being a surface parking lot or green space above an expansive single level underground deck defeats the purpose of building tall. Chances are high podium parking would be an open air prefab structure given the budgetary constraints expressed in the design of multi-family apartments being built across the province.

There's definitely a rental housing shortage. The cause can be correlated with temporary residents such as foreign students. I don't think it's long term prudence to build up rental housing supply around foreign students. The better course maybe to built disposable student housing and wait to see if the political will remains strong for the rapid foreign student population growth.

[Siriusb]

Hidden Valley Subdivision - Phase 3

From the City web site Council Meeting.

Request An application has been received to proceed to public consultation to rezone Phase 3 of the Hidden Valley Subdivision located off Malpeque Road in the neighbourhood of Winsloe.





Here we go again. 5 storey buildings that will fill up in no time! That's if it gets past the public consultation. Higher density with 5 storey apartments isn't higher density. 7-9 or 10 might help but I doubt that will please the public who should have little say at this time of immediate housing shortages.

[Ryan23]

Leons is closing Jan 15th and moving to Summerside. I also think I heard them say that Kays Brothers is moving in their location in the Sears building.

[Siriusb]

Originally Posted by Ryan23

Leons is closing Jan 15th and moving to Summerside. I also think I heard them say that Kays Brothers is moving in their location in the Sears building.

Why in God's name would Leons move from the largest market on PEI, to one of the smallest in the Maritimes? A move to Stratford at least would have been a better option. There the average median income is the largest on PEI surpassing Summerside by $40,000 /yr. That's nuts!
And Kays Brothers was supposed to be taking over the large CEGF warehouse on Garfield St. Did that change?

[Siriusb]

Charlottetown bylaw change will let mental health campus move forward

TONY DAVIS - CBC PEI NEWS

"Charlottetown city council amended its zoning and development bylaw Wednesday to allow for a design change at the province's new mental health campus."

""This government is actually putting boots on the ground, shovels in the ground to forward this project to development."

MORE HERE > https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-hospital-parking-change-1.7073971

All good but when did this project supercede housing development. "Boots on the ground", tying workers up doing this big government project, will only delay any planned housing development in the Capital. The city and the PEI government are doing that delay, delay, delay thingy again. Housing is just a political pawn for them to throw around to impress people that they are doing great things! NOT!! Meanwhile people are anxious on whether they are going to live in a warm home or live in a culvert. Talk about your mental health!!

[josh_cat_eyes]

Originally Posted by Siriusb

Hidden Valley Subdivision - Phase 3

From the City web site Council Meeting.

Request An application has been received to proceed to public consultation to rezone Phase 3 of the Hidden Valley Subdivision located off Malpeque Road in the neighbourhood of Winsloe.





Here we go again. 5 storey buildings that will fill up in no time! That's if it gets past the public consultation. Higher density with 5 storey apartments isn't higher density. 7-9 or 10 might help but I doubt that will please the public who should have little say at this time of immediate housing shortages.

This many apartments will actually help the house shortage. Will there still be a shortage after this is built, yes, but this is actually a lot of units. In the past, developments like this would have been all single family housing, so this is a huge start. This is also an example of what happens when your city discourages high density in the downtown.

[Just an Islander]

Yes, it sounds like Hanson's purchased the building on the corner of Walker Drive and Garfield Street. Also, that is correct in that A-1 and Kay's are taking over the section where Leon's is located. I made a post just before Christmas that should come up on page 207.

[Siriusb]

Originally Posted by Just an Islander

Yes, it sounds like Hanson's purchased the building on the corner of Walker Drive and Garfield Street. Also, that is correct in that A-1 and Kay's are taking over the section where Leon's is located. I made a post just before Christmas that should come up on page 207.

Ok, so do you know if Leons is moving to S'side? I was going to buy a new fridge, and we have dealt with them before and liked buying from them. If the note in an earlier post said they are moving to S'side, that'll be too bad.
It'll be the smallest market in the Maritimes of all the Leons we have. I'm not sure why but good luck to them if they intend on doing that.

[Siriusb]

A proposed eight-storey apartment building that was called off by the developer is back on the table in Charlottetown.

From - The Guardian

Anyone have details on this!! I wish city hall would all quit! It's been years that this was approved, on again, off again.
So if anyone can post any details from this article as the title (not the one above) sounds like they scrapped it to do a redesign or something.

[Ryan23]

Originally Posted by Siriusb

Why in God's name would Leons move from the largest market on PEI, to one of the smallest in the Maritimes? A move to Stratford at least would have been a better option. There the average median income is the largest on PEI surpassing Summerside by $40,000 /yr. That's nuts!
And Kays Brothers was supposed to be taking over the large CEGF warehouse on Garfield St. Did that change?

I think Bevans owns the building on Garfield. And the new owners of Kays are friends with the Bevans. I went to School with all these fellas. I think the refit to make that old building on Garfield was going to cost way to much so that's why I think they are moving in to the Sears building instead.

[Just an Islander]

St. Louis Bar and Grill to open in June out at the Royalty Power Centre.

Canadian franchisor St. Louis Bar and Grill will expand to Prince Edward Island through a Charlottetown opening.

Saltwire reported that franchisees Nick Hennessy and Matthew Hill will open a 3,500-square-foot location in Royalty Power Centre. Construction is slated to begin within weeks. (This was dated September 5 2023)

[Just an Islander]

Sounds like Hanson's purchased the cold storage building at the end of Walker Drive and Garfield from what I heard.

Also, does anyone know where in Summerside the Leon's is going to go and who is going to be running it?

[Ryan23]

Originally Posted by Just an Islander

St. Louis Bar and Grill to open in June out at the Royalty Power Centre.

Canadian franchisor St. Louis Bar and Grill will expand to Prince Edward Island through a Charlottetown opening.

Saltwire reported that franchisees Nick Hennessy and Matthew Hill will open a 3,500-square-foot location in Royalty Power Centre. Construction is slated to begin within weeks. (This was dated September 5 2023)

I work in the door next to where St.Louis is supposed to go. Matt Hill owns the building. It just seems like it's gonna be a strange set up with the parking lot.

[Siriusb]

IRAC Appeals section updated.

Andrea Battison and Barbara Dylla, regular appellants against any development within our city, along with a few other individuals, have now had their faces slammed at the door as new legislative wording has come into effect in the appeals process at IRAC. The new rules, and this one is the biggest, is the appellant must be directly impacted, meaning their property, will need to be next to the project and must be directly impacted negatively. This eliminates anyone, anywhere, from appealing a project. There were other updates but this one is the most impact full.
I hope this will be the last we hear from Andrea, Barbara and others, who have squashed or delayed the apartment building process. I've always said they should foot the bill for the rising materials, etc. if they loose their appeal. That would work but I think the legislative appeal update will be a good start.

From CBC PEI NEWS
by Cody MacKay

MORE HERE > https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2298116163931

[josh_cat_eyes]

Originally Posted by Siriusb

IRAC Appeals section updated.

Andrea Battison and Barbara Dylla, regular appellants against any development within our city, along with a few other individuals, have now had their faces slammed at the door as new legislative wording has come into effect in the appeals process at IRAC. The new rules, and this one is the biggest, is the appellant must be directly impacted, meaning their property, will need to be next to the project and must be directly impacted negatively. This eliminates anyone, anywhere, from appealing a project. There were other updates but this one is the most impact full.
I hope this will be the last we hear from Andrea, Barbara and others, who have squashed or delayed the apartment building process. I've always said they should foot the bill for the rising materials, etc. if they loose their appeal. That would work but I think the legislative appeal update will be a good start.

From CBC PEI NEWS
by Cody MacKay

MORE HERE > https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2298116163931

Good! It’s about time they updated that ancient piece of legislation! If I remember correctly they even tried to appeal the UPEI residency building after construction had already started. Such idiots. Hopefully this is the last we hear of them.