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[Harley613]

Originally Posted by YOWflier

One would think nightmares would translate into horrible ratings on those employment sites. Indeed has them at 3.8/5.

On a sample size of 17 reviews. If you scroll down, all the 5 star reviews look completely scripted and one actually repeats



Regardless, a business that sympathizes with the thoughtless twats that shut the city down over inane social media conspiracy theories doesn't deserve to be in the business in said city they supported being shut down. Pretty simple equation, as far as I am concerned.

[YOWflier]

It is simplistic, no doubt.

So what are the nightmares?

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

Originally Posted by YOWflier

She’s very wealthy and the business lives on at other locations. The unfortunate losers are the laid off staff. This is the collateral damage of cancel culture.

There has been plenty of collateral damage due to the occupation. Hundreds of retail employees lost their livelihood (in the Rideau Centre alone) during the occupation. Those that financed the occupation are just as culpable as those occupiers who harassed the residents of Ottawa.

I wonder if the class action lawsuit will garner any justice for those Ottawans who bore the brunt of the criminal harassment that took place?

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

Originally Posted by Harley613

On a sample size of 17 reviews. If you scroll down, all the 5 star reviews look completely scripted and one actually repeats



Regardless, a business that sympathizes with the thoughtless twats that shut the city down over inane social media conspiracy theories doesn't deserve to be in the business in said city they supported being shut down. Pretty simple equation, as far as I am concerned.

I agree.

[lrt's friend]

It's funny how Pierre Poilievre who was much more publicly supportive of the convoy will likely be rewarded with the position of Prime Minister while the small guy (whose support was tiny and only revealed because of a privacy breach) is to be punished out of their livelihood.

Think about this. Suppose every cause that we donate money to was made public and open to scrutiny. And we did not know in advance, that the information was going to be made public.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

It's funny how Pierre Poilievre who was much more publicly supportive of the convoy will likely be rewarded with the position of Prime Minister while the small guy (whose support was tiny and only revealed because of a privacy breach) is to be punished out of their livelihood.

Think about this. Suppose every cause that we donate money to was made public and open to scrutiny. And we did not know in advance, that the information was going to be made public.

I generally agree with your thinking on this, as the punishment doled out by internet mobs is quite often disproportionate to the "crime".

In this case I'm much less sympathetic, as the convoy was uniquely destructive to the city and to small businesses downtown in particular. If you choose to support an illegal occupation that is decimating your city, I kind of feel that you deserve what is coming to you. You are basically spitting in the faces of your customers. And in this case, she may not have known that her donation would become public, but she probably had an inkling that her appearance on Fox News would.

[YOWflier]

This context-specific sudden concern for downtown businesses and their workers is fascinating.

[skyscraperaccount]

Sunny Foodmart, 4 locations in the Toronto Area is coming to Ottawa at the Cabela's development near Tanger Outlets in the West End/Kanata.

Saw the sign go up on an empty pad so ... maybe mid/end 2024?

Kanata becoming a hotbed of Asian Grocery Wars.

[LarryW]

Originally Posted by YOWflier

If that’s important to you then sure, have at ‘er. Just be sure of who you’re actually hurting.

I find this kind of logic to be frustratingly common. People will rationalize continuing to support a business like Stella Luna by saying they don't want to hurt the workers there. I think that totally misses the bigger picture.

To use a more extreme example, what would you do if a store you frequented was exposed as supporting a white supremacist demonstration? Would you worry about the jobs of the workers? Would you continue to frequent the store so that the owner has more money to use to support their views?

I think everyone has a line that cannot be crossed. You may not think the convoy occupation crossed a line, but many/most think otherwise.

Rationalizing that the owner is rich so that any action wouldn't really hurt them is more false logic. By continuing to support a business you will continue to enrich the owner. That is the same as supporting their views.

Sometimes when bad people do bad things the innocent bystanders get hurt. Trying to avoid that peripheral damage is not a reason to let the bad people get off without any punishment.

[LarryW]

Originally Posted by YOWflier

This context-specific sudden concern for downtown businesses and their workers is fascinating.

It's funny that you worry about hurting the workers at Stella Luna but don't seem to share the same concerns about the effect the convoy occupation had on the workers downtown.

My concern is as much with the convoy occupation's attempted redefinition of "peaceful protest" as it is with the effect they had downtown. Image if every protest anywhere in Canada could act like they did.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by skyscraperaccount

Sunny Foodmart, 4 locations in the Toronto Area is coming to Ottawa at the Cabela's development near Tanger Outlets in the West End/Kanata.

Saw the sign go up on an empty pad so ... maybe mid/end 2024?

Kanata becoming a hotbed of Asian Grocery Wars.

Have the Costco rumours for that area been confirmed yet as well?

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by LarryW

It's funny that you worry about hurting the workers at Stella Luna but don't seem to share the same concerns about the effect the convoy occupation had on the workers downtown.

My concern is as much with the convoy occupation's attempted redefinition of "peaceful protest" as it is with the effect they had downtown. Image if every protest anywhere in Canada could act like they did.

The Clownvoy showed us the very clear double standard that exists:
Mostly male with lighter shade = OK to do WTF you like in Ottawa.
Mostly aboriginal, muslim, LBGTQ or female = shutdown on day one.

[skyscraperaccount]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Have the Costco rumours for that area been confirmed yet as well?

Not that I've seen...its only been 7 years of rumours so far...what's a little longer lol

[YOWflier]

Originally Posted by LarryW

It's funny that you worry about hurting the workers at Stella Luna but don't seem to share the same concerns about the effect the convoy occupation had on the workers downtown.

I’m quite concerned about local businesses, especially small ones. You can search my post history.

[lrt's friend]

We should reflect a bit more. While I personally opposed the convoy, there was much more widespread support for the convoy than many here believe. It was not so cut and dry, because the stance of the convoy was about how much the government was interfering in our lives during the pandemic. The convoy was particularly attractive for blue-collar workers and those outside of Ottawa. A good friend was tremendously supportive of the convoy, but did I boycott him? No, it really amounted to a difference of political opinion. We discussed it, but never let it get personal.

While everybody has a choice on what businesses to support for their own reasons, we need to understand, that other local businesses benefited tremendously from the convoy and have gotten off scot-free. Hotels, and some downtown businesses were open throughout and raked in the cash. But this was OK?

There seems to be a double standard being applied.

[skyscraperaccount]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

We should reflect a bit more. While I personally opposed the convoy, there was much more widespread support for the convoy than many here believe. It was not so cut and dry, because the stance of the convoy was about how much the government was interfering in our lives during the pandemic. The convoy was particularly attractive for blue-collar workers and those outside of Ottawa. A good friend was tremendously supportive of the convoy, but did I boycott him? No, it really amounted to a difference of political opinion. We discussed it, but never let it get personal.

While everybody has a choice on what businesses to support for their own reasons, we need to understand, that other local businesses benefited tremendously from the convoy and have gotten off scot-free. Hotels, and some downtown businesses were open throughout and raked in the cash. But this was OK?

There seems to be a double standard being applied.

Businesses benefiting from doing their business might be perceived differently than businesses going above and beyond serving, to actively and publicly supporting a bunch of people that are holding downtown Ottawa hostage.

If you find a hotel that publicly threw their support behind the occupation then I'll boycott their ass too. These gelato company owners made their bed, now they get to sleep in it.

[phil235]

Originally Posted by YOWflier

This context-specific sudden concern for downtown businesses and their workers is fascinating.

How is it context-specific?

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

We should reflect a bit more. While I personally opposed the convoy, there was much more widespread support for the convoy than many here believe. It was not so cut and dry, because the stance of the convoy was about how much the government was interfering in our lives during the pandemic. The convoy was particularly attractive for blue-collar workers and those outside of Ottawa. A good friend was tremendously supportive of the convoy, but did I boycott him? No, it really amounted to a difference of political opinion. We discussed it, but never let it get personal.

While everybody has a choice on what businesses to support for their own reasons, we need to understand, that other local businesses benefited tremendously from the convoy and have gotten off scot-free. Hotels, and some downtown businesses were open throughout and raked in the cash. But this was OK?

There seems to be a double standard being applied.

I think politically the convoy had captured the zeitgeist of the country at the time, that too many restrictions were in place too late in the pandemic.

However, since their tactic was primarily to target downtown business and residents that had nothing to do with the government decision, it makes Stella Luna's decision to support the convoy mind-numbingly stupid.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Have the Costco rumours for that area been confirmed yet as well?

Originally Posted by skyscraperaccount

Not that I've seen...its only been 7 years of rumours so far...what's a little longer lol

I hadn't heard the Costco rumour, but seems like a good move. Kanata is the last "small" Costco with no gas on the Ottawa side.

Remember the Blair Costco was rumoured for years as well.

As for the whole Stella Luna debate, yes, certain restrictions were dragging a bit, but the vast majority were Provincial, not Federal. Initially, the "protest" was supposed to be about vaccination requirements for truckers, but ended up being an all right-wing encompassing occupations against Trudeau and basic human decency.

That Stella Luna made a donation to the GoFundMe page early on, I don't care, but that they doubled down by donating to the Far Right Christian GiveSendGo after GoFundMe was shut down and the occupation declared illegal, I have a serious problem with. And then had the gulls to defend themselves on Fox of all places

[YOWflier]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I think politically the convoy had captured the zeitgeist of the country at the time, that too many restrictions were in place too late in the pandemic.

However, since their tactic was primarily to target downtown business and residents that had nothing to do with the government decision, it makes Stella Luna's decision to support the convoy mind-numbingly stupid.

as it turns out, unscientific, division-sowing restrictions. But if we employ the logic of some in here, those businesses and residents were just collateral damage in the delivery of punishment to bad people (government). Errr.

Ms. Giuliani is not a bad person as has been so horribly alleged. She's a former outstanding woman recipient and owns a business the likes of which bore the brunt of restrictions. She “secretly” made a modest donation to a cause that reflected her anger and frustrations in the moment. It was a dumb business decision on her part, especially when doubling down, but I can assure everyone here that she enjoys(ed) quiet, broad support in the business community, including ones people here cherish. I am deeply connected to this community.

People have every right to protest with their wallets. That’s business. Cancel cultists want(ed) to annihilate her. To me, they’re the real bad people. Also, at least be consistent about it… I also can’t help but laugh at the hypocrisy on display in a parallel thread to this one.