Jericho Lands | 49fl | 13.6M sqft | Proposed

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Seems doubtful they would split up the line construction and all the added cost to do it in two stages.

Might I remind you of the current Broadway extension?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Might I remind you of the current Broadway extension?

Seems more likely they'll single track a tunnel into UBC to save money.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Jericho doesn't have a bus loop though (which is basically a prerequisite for truncating the 99 there).

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Jericho doesn't have a bus loop though (which is basically a prerequisite for truncating the 99 there).

Alma is already a Translink bus terminus though.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Alma is already a Translink bus terminus though.

Only for the 9, which loops around the block and heads back east. It has a frequency of seven minutes at best.

The 99 can come up to every three minutes - can the block handle all those artics, especially with the logjam at 10th/Alma/Broadway? And don't forget all the Jericho-UBC passengers that may consider driving instead.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Only for the 9, which loops around the block and heads back east. It has a frequency of seven minutes at best.

The 99 can come up to every three minutes - can the block handle all those artics, especially with the logjam at 10th/Alma/Broadway? And don't forget all the Jericho-UBC passengers that may consider driving instead.

The 99 wouldn't need to maintain current service levels, in fact it won't even need to once the Broadway Extension is completed. Five minute headways would surely be more than enough once the Broadway Corridor is served by the Millennium Line (Reminder that half of westbound 99 riders get off before Arbutus). Regardless, the block already basically handles the 99 at current frequency levels anyway considering that the 99 has to make the turn back and forth onto Dunbar.

For Jericho-UBC passengers that would want to head to UBC, the 84 is a very appealing option currently and has a stop less than 200m from where the Jericho-UBC Millennium Line station is supposed to be.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by chowhou

The 99 wouldn't need to maintain current service levels, in fact it won't even need to once the Broadway Extension is completed. Five minute headways would surely be more than enough once the Broadway Corridor is served by the Millennium Line (Reminder that half of westbound 99 riders get off before Arbutus). Regardless, the block already basically handles the 99 at current frequency levels anyway considering that the 99 has to make the turn back and forth onto Dunbar.

For Jericho-UBC passengers that would want to head to UBC, the 84 is a very appealing option currently and has a stop less than 200m from where the Jericho-UBC Millennium Line station is supposed to be.

It's a truncated line though. 50% total passengers divided by 50% total buses (because it's the same rate of buses per km, but along half the km) means roughly the same level of crowding. Either way, ~28k passengers' worth of foot traffic adding to the Alma chokepoint is nothing to sneeze at... if they reroute the B-Line straight ahead from 8th and Discovery to Alma then loop around Dunbar, then maybe.

Sure, if they increase the frequency on 4th. The 99 is 3-5 minutes all day, but the 84 comes every 10 minutes at best and drops to 20 minutes at night.

[madog222]

Why would the extension need to be expedited to Jericho in order to be ready for the first phase or two of this development? UBC will have exponentially more demand than from Jericho for quite a while.

[mcj]

Originally Posted by madog222

Why would the extension need to be expedited to Jericho in order to be ready for the first phase or two of this development? UBC will have exponentially more demand than from Jericho for quite a while.

Everyone is going off of the current phasing, which is contingent on the UBCx, but you're right that the extension doesn't need to be ready for this to start. They could easily re-order the phasing if the UBCx ends up being delayed by a change of government.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by mcj

Everyone is going off of the current phasing, which is contingent on the UBCx, but you're right that the extension doesn't need to be ready for this to start. They could easily re-order the phasing if the UBCx ends up being delayed by a change of government.

I thought it's more that they are planning the first phase(s) to be out of the way of the Skytrain construction but can change that if UBCx isn't happening yet.

Originally Posted by Changing City

It's all in the article

Phasing

It has nothing to do with getting residents in place to justify the station, and everything to do with the use of the site to allow the tunnel to Arbutus (and maybe also to UBC) to be built. Phase 1 to the west can apparently proceed safely without being impacted by SkyTrain construction.

"The City notes, however, that if the delivery of the Jericho Lands Station occurs later than the completion of Phase One, or a decision is made to not go through with the UBC Extension, the City will review the policy statement and the phasing plan as currently outlined could be adjusted".

[madog222]

Nice try but this isn't a politics thread.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Oh I trust the numbers - it's the "just terminate everything at Jericho and Alma and things will be fine" idea that I've got problems with. At least Arbutus was more or less always intended to be a layover.

3 minutes down to 5 is 20 buses/hr down to 12, or 60% capacity (not much better than 50%) and still 2.5x more buses than the Alma "loop" currently gets. I'll concede that immediately shooting back up to 100% isn't a guarantee, but back to 60% definitely is.

Definitely YMMV then - waiting multiple buses at the UBC loop was literally most of high school in 2011-12 for me.

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Yeah, it's an option, but so's single-tracking to UBC. I'd argue that getting Phase 2's funding won't be a problem (at least with the Libs in charge); the hard part of getting the subway was fighting the NIMBYs, the Condon-ites (although they're basically the same thing) and Christy Clark all at the same time, and that's mostly over.

[jollyburger]

The ODP was supposed to be finished at the end of 2024 so I expect we'll get something on this soon.

Mid-November MST has a phased plan to buy out Canada Lands Company from of their joint development projects.

"The parties have entered into an agreement where Canada Lands Company will sell its interest in the Heather Lands to the MST Nations upon enactment of rezoning for each of two portions of the site," the representative told STOREYS. "It is anticipated that the first enactment will take place in late 2024, triggering the subdivision and sale of the southern portion of the site."

Asked about the buy-out plan for the Jericho Lands, the MST-CLC representative said "That is a ways away" and that "The current focus of the MST Partnership and Canada Lands Company is working on an Official Development Plan, which would get the project closer to being able to start construction."

https://storeys.com/mst-clc-jericho-...nds-vancouver/

[jollyburger]

Jericho Lands Draft ODP

https://syc.vancouver.ca/projects/je...fo-session.pdf

Overview slides

https://syc.vancouver.ca/projects/je...fo-session.pdf

Until funding is secured for the project, the Province is not able to provide an anticipated
completion date. Once funding is confirmed the project would likely take 7-9 years to procure a
contractor, design and construct the line.

[WarrenC12]

From the same page:

What is the status of the technical work for the UBCx business case?

The key project partners, consisting of the Province and federal, regional, and local governments, First Nations, UBC and TransLink are advancing the planning work for the UBCx business case and funding strategy.

Isn't this the same business case due in "Fall 2024". Where TF is it? Sounds like CoV staff didn't even get a briefing or draft version.

[jollyburger]

The Phasing

Phasing strategy objectives
3.1 The principal objectives underpinning the phasing strategy are to:
(a) coordinate with the proposed UBCx SkyTrain construction timing, alignment, station box,
and laydown yard requirements;
(b) integrate the proposed UBCx Jericho Station with adjacent development (building designs
to be completed with the station design at the time of the applicable rezoning);
(c) provide amenities, retail, service and commercial uses with each phase to support a
walkable, complete community as it grows;
(d) integrate housing for a range of household types, tenures and levels of affordability and
attainability across the site;
(e) work with the land and water, such as the Ridge and above and below grade water channels;
(f) ensure efficient vehicular access, primarily through the loop roads;
(g) ensure the site is serviced and meets the City’s requirements, targets, and/or criteria at each
phase of development; and
(h) manage the displacement of existing residents through phasing.

Development phasing
3.2 The anticipated sequence of each rezoning phase of development is to generally follow:
Watchmens’ Hill Phase; Cedar Heart Plaza, Energy Oval, and Cedar Walk Phase; Canoe Landing
Phase; and Canopy Oval Phase, for the sub-areas as shown on Figure 7. The anticipated sequence
is to be subject to review from time to time, always in light of the objectives set out in section
3.1, but taking into account factors such as the considerable length of the development process
and market conditions prevailing at the time of the review, and, as a result of any such review,
the sequence of phasing may change.
If the implementation of UBCx (including the delivery of the proposed Jericho Station) is later
than the completion of development in Phase 1 or a decision is made not to build UBCx, and/or
if the alignment and Jericho Station location change significantly from the current assumption,
the Jericho Lands site plan shown on Figure 2, the Jericho Lands Policy Statement, this ODP Bylaw, and the approach to phasing and timing of delivery of the subsequent phases will be
reviewed. Adjustments will be made if necessary to ensure that future phases of development do
not exceed the capacity of the site and surrounding movement network to address mobility needs
in line with the City’s sustainable mobility policies.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Wonder if TransLink'll eventually reroute the 9 to Jericho via 8th? Skips the logjam at 10th/Alma, and serves a lot more potential riders.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Wonder if TransLink'll eventually reroute the 9 to Jericho via 8th? Skips the logjam at 10th/Alma, and serves a lot more potential riders.

No, it would have to stay on 10th as a local service to catch the area missed by the Jericho Skytrain station.

[madog222]

Plus Jericho is already served by buses along 4th.

[jollyburger]

They might build a bus exchange next to the Skytrain Station which probably makes sense for the 4th Ave bus to come into the development.

They also have a potential bus route that goes in and out the south section of the site near 8th Avenue. Again for Skytrain connectivity it's possible the bus along 10th could cut down to the station and then get back on somewhere.