HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Transportation


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #3981  
Old Posted Nov 2, 2023, 9:55 PM
ReDSPork02 ReDSPork02 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 175
NANDERT the GREAT speaks about this topic in his last video about commuter rail in LA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLf3X4rNmYQ

AT the 19:40 minute mark.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3982  
Old Posted Nov 9, 2023, 7:21 AM
urban_encounter's Avatar
urban_encounter urban_encounter is offline
“The Big EasyChair”
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: 🌳🌴🌲 Sacramento 🌳 🌴🌲
Posts: 6,008
Quote:
Originally Posted by 202_Cyclist View Post
This is a bit absurd. Driving might be quicker than this.

"A ride on the 33-mile Los Angeles-to-Anaheim segment is expected to take about 45 minutes. It’s a far cry from the “High-Speed” promise of the project, but the route is one of the most complicated and complex along the entire 800 miles of theoretical service area."

Therein lies the problem.
__________________
Sacramento
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3983  
Old Posted Nov 9, 2023, 12:21 PM
202_Cyclist's Avatar
202_Cyclist 202_Cyclist is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,445
High speed-rail construction begins on Highway 43 in Kings County
The California High-Speed Rail project is expected to be completed between 2030 and 2033.

By Kassandra Gutierrez
November 7, 2023
ABC30

"KINGS COUNTY, Calif. (KFSN) -- The California High-Speed Rail Authority is gearing up for another round of construction, this time in Kings County.

SkyView 30 shows traffic backed up along Highway 43 between Hanford and Corcoran in Kings County.

It's part of the high-speed rail authority's next round of construction.

Through Tuesday, there will be a flagging operation between Nevada and Lansing Avenues for both north and southbound traffic..."

https://abc30.com/high-speed-rail-constr...or%20another%20round%20of%20construction.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3984  
Old Posted Nov 20, 2023, 2:53 PM
202_Cyclist's Avatar
202_Cyclist 202_Cyclist is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,445
CHSRA, Hollywood Burbank Airport Reach Settlement Agreement

Written by Carolina Worrell
Railway Age
Nov. 17, 2023

"The California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA) announced Nov. 16 that it has reached an agreement with the Burbank-Glendale Pasadena Airport Authority dismissing the Airport Authority’s lawsuit regarding the high-speed rail project and clearing the way for high-speed rail construction from Burbank to Los Angeles Union Station.

According to CHSRA, the settlement “commits the High-Speed Rail Authority and the Airport Authority to a collaborative process during advanced design, construction, and operation of the high-speed rail station adjacent to the airport to ensure compatibility with the replacement passenger terminal and other airport facilities.”

“This settlement reflects the hard work of two public agencies striving to provide the public with new, state-of-the-art transportation facilities and services that meet the demands of travelers—a new airport terminal connected to clean, fast and safe high-speed rail,” said CHSRA CEO Brian Kelly. “This agreement further reflects our organizations’ understanding that the best way to deliver these services is through collaboration..."

https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/hig...bank-airport-reach-settlement-agreement/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3985  
Old Posted Nov 20, 2023, 10:17 PM
craigs's Avatar
craigs craigs is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 11,031
Quote:
Originally Posted by 202_Cyclist View Post
CHSRA, Hollywood Burbank Airport Reach Settlement Agreement

Written by Carolina Worrell
Railway Age
Nov. 17, 2023

"The California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA) announced Nov. 16 that it has reached an agreement with the Burbank-Glendale Pasadena Airport Authority dismissing the Airport Authority’s lawsuit regarding the high-speed rail project and clearing the way for high-speed rail construction from Burbank to Los Angeles Union Station.

According to CHSRA, the settlement “commits the High-Speed Rail Authority and the Airport Authority to a collaborative process during advanced design, construction, and operation of the high-speed rail station adjacent to the airport to ensure compatibility with the replacement passenger terminal and other airport facilities.”

“This settlement reflects the hard work of two public agencies striving to provide the public with new, state-of-the-art transportation facilities and services that meet the demands of travelers—a new airport terminal connected to clean, fast and safe high-speed rail,” said CHSRA CEO Brian Kelly. “This agreement further reflects our organizations’ understanding that the best way to deliver these services is through collaboration..."

https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/hig...bank-airport-reach-settlement-agreement/
I wonder about the ridership at the Burbank Airport HSR station. I mean, I always fly in and out of Burbank because it is convenient and close by, but it's not a terribly busy node overall. The existing Metrolink station to the north of the airport, which is IIRC where the HSR station will be, is too far from the terminals to be useful (the existing Metrolink station to the south of the airport is, however, within walking distance of the gates).
__________________
Chaos upon my enemies, chaos upon my enemies, chaos upon my enemies.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3986  
Old Posted Nov 21, 2023, 12:46 AM
hughfb3 hughfb3 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 912
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigs View Post
I wonder about the ridership at the Burbank Airport HSR station. I mean, I always fly in and out of Burbank because it is convenient and close by, but it's not a terribly busy node overall. The existing Metrolink station to the north of the airport, which is IIRC where the HSR station will be, is too far from the terminals to be useful (the existing Metrolink station to the south of the airport is, however, within walking distance of the gates).
Hollywood Burbank is about to get a complete rebuild of its terminals and is going to incorporate HSR into the design.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3987  
Old Posted Nov 21, 2023, 5:45 AM
jmecklenborg jmecklenborg is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,275
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigs View Post
I wonder about the ridership at the Burbank Airport HSR station.

High speed systems typically need a station like this in order to cue trains into a major terminal station and, in this example, outbound into what will be one of the longer HSR tunnels on the planet. For example, the Old Oak Common station will be used in England to cue trains in/out of London. In San Francisco, 4th/King will be used to cue trains in/out of Transbay.

Both this station and the San Francisco approach will work with cuing commuter rail in addition to HSR. It will also add almost no time to the overall run because trains won't be traveling fast between Burbank and LA Union Station. This means even if the train stops for the same amount of time as an intermediate station in the Central Valley, the overall dwell time is less because the acceleration/deceleration takes less time.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3988  
Old Posted Nov 28, 2023, 4:51 PM
Busy Bee's Avatar
Busy Bee Busy Bee is offline
Closeted Normie
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: on the artistic spectrum
Posts: 13,222
For those that haven't seen them or had them algorithm fed to you, there's a relatively new YouTube video author that has made some pretty excellent CHSR content. Even for myself who feels they follow the project pretty closely I learned a few things. Very technical but thorough and easy to follow. Highly recommended viewing. No I'm not the person.


• Video Link


• Video Link


• Video Link


• Video Link



Plus a few more on his Youtube uploads page.
__________________
The guy above me designs synthetic hairballs for ceramic cats

Sic semper tyrannis
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3989  
Old Posted Dec 5, 2023, 11:02 PM
Randomguy34's Avatar
Randomguy34 Randomguy34 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Chicago & Philly
Posts: 2,786
Quote:
🚆NEWS: Over $3 billion in federal funding is headed to California High Speed Rail!

That means:
♻️Reduced transportation emissions
🚄Less time in traffic
💸More good-paying jobs

Proud to have championed @CaHSRA’s application for this Bipartisan Infrastructure Law funding!
https://twitter.com/senalexpadilla/status/1732163026034241822?s=46&t=DtLjgfbcHGDxyrKi3IVOlg
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3990  
Old Posted Dec 5, 2023, 11:50 PM
SoCalKid SoCalKid is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 616
Do we think this $3 billion will allow CAHSR to fully complete the Merced to Bakersfield section?

I imagine that if the $3 billion grant (plus private activity bonds and I'm sure other low interest or subsidized public loans) allow for Brightline West to get built, there will be pressure on CAHSR to focus on the Bakersfield to Los Angeles segment next, rather than the Merced to San Jose section. At that point, the Bakersfield to LA section would effectively bring two high speed rail lines into Los Angeles.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3991  
Old Posted Dec 6, 2023, 12:05 AM
craigs's Avatar
craigs craigs is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 11,031
Isn't he just talking about the $3B award to the Brightline train to Las Vegas?
__________________
Chaos upon my enemies, chaos upon my enemies, chaos upon my enemies.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3992  
Old Posted Dec 6, 2023, 12:08 AM
Busy Bee's Avatar
Busy Bee Busy Bee is offline
Closeted Normie
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: on the artistic spectrum
Posts: 13,222
^^^ The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law is awarding $3B to CHSR and $3B to Brightline West. I would have preferred for CHSR to receive about three times as much as Brightline considering the scope and budget of the project, but it will obviously take what it can get. I fully expect another large sum in a dedicated allotment to CHSR before Biden's first term is up.
__________________
The guy above me designs synthetic hairballs for ceramic cats

Sic semper tyrannis
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3993  
Old Posted Dec 6, 2023, 1:31 AM
craigs's Avatar
craigs craigs is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 11,031
Quote:
Originally Posted by Busy Bee View Post
^^^ The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law is awarding $3B to CHSR and $3B to Brightline West. I would have preferred for CHSR to receive about three times as much as Brightline considering the scope and budget of the project, but it will obviously take what it can get. I fully expect another large sum in a dedicated allotment to CHSR before Biden's first term is up.
Ah, got it. That's good news. Agreed that I'd rather the entire sum go to the public transit project rather than the private, for-profit one. But I'm happy overall with the funding.
__________________
Chaos upon my enemies, chaos upon my enemies, chaos upon my enemies.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3994  
Old Posted Dec 7, 2023, 10:31 PM
38 Geary 38 Geary is online now
你的媽媽
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: The Bay
Posts: 11,842
^ More on that here:

Quote:
Feds Award $3B for CA High-Speed Rail, and $3B for Vegas-to-LA HSR
"This show of support from the Biden-Harris Administration is a vote of confidence in today’s vision and comes at a critical turning point, providing the project new momentum.”
3:27 PM PST on December 6, 2023
By Melanie Curry

...

The U.S. Department of Transportation will award CAHSRA nearly $3.1 billion, putting the project on schedule to open its Central Valley "initial operating segment" within the next decade.

This is the largest grant CASHRA has received, and after years of opposition from the former administration, congressional Republicans, and even some California state legislators, it is welcome news.

...

The federal funding will advance work in the Central Valley, including designing and constructing the Fresno station, Central Valley construction including completing design and right-of-way acquisition between Merced and Bakersfield (~180 miles), and procuring trainsets to begin testing.



The $3 billion announced on Tuesday is in addition to other smaller federal funding received this year, including $202 million for safety and grade separation work and $25 million for the Fresno Depot.
https://cal.streetsblog.org/2023/12/06/f...gh-speed-rail-and-3b-for-vegas-to-la-hsr
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3995  
Old Posted Dec 7, 2023, 11:07 PM
tech12's Avatar
tech12 tech12 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Oakland
Posts: 3,330
Quote:
Originally Posted by homebucket View Post
SFgate put out a giant "article" about the new HSR funding, but did it in the form of an advertisement for Brightline, where they tooted the horn of privatization (pun intended, heh), and barely mentioned CA HSR at all, except to imply that it's part of some bad trend that Brightline has "bucked" (headline has since changed), and to imply that it may not even be under construction yet, followed by the statement that it's "slow-moving". There were literally two sentences about it in the entire article, both negative, plus a passing negative mention in the headline.

They spent a whole lot of words hyping a non-existent train system that is far less impressive in scale than CA HSR, and benefits Californians far less, and made no mention of the ongoing extensive CA HSR construction, or the new funding for CA HSR at all. The SF Chronicle is an extremely lame excuse for a news outlet. Dishonest 🞵🞵🞵🞵 like this is part of the reason why the general public knows little to nothing about CA HSR.

But don't worry, because a day later SFgate released an article about CA HSR rail too...that was critical of it, and filled with false conservative talking points (such as the fake $100 billion price estimate that only ever existed in conservative propagandist's heads). And the last half of the article was about Brightline again, but with none of the negative framing used in regards to CA HSR. lol
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3996  
Old Posted Dec 7, 2023, 11:25 PM
Busy Bee's Avatar
Busy Bee Busy Bee is offline
Closeted Normie
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: on the artistic spectrum
Posts: 13,222
It matters little. They're just one more member in the irrelevant naysayers club which will look like absolute idiots once 200mph trains are streaking across the IOS making everyone in the state and the country slobber, demand more and wonder outloud "how did we ever live without this?" - just as predicted and just like everywhere else where high speed rail has ever been built.
__________________
The guy above me designs synthetic hairballs for ceramic cats

Sic semper tyrannis
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3997  
Old Posted Dec 7, 2023, 11:52 PM
sopas ej's Avatar
sopas ej sopas ej is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: South Pasadena, California
Posts: 8,186
Brightline West is private and for-profit, so even though it got 3 billion bucks from the feds, I assume the rest of the 12 billion dollars it supposedly will cost to build the line will have to come from private funding?

Why does that sound like it might run into problems?
__________________
"I guess the only time people think about injustice is when it happens to them."

~ Charles Bukowski
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3998  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2023, 8:33 PM
AndrewK AndrewK is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 459
Quote:
Originally Posted by tech12 View Post
SFgate put out a giant "article" about the new HSR funding, but did it in the form of an advertisement for Brightline, where they tooted the horn of privatization (pun intended, heh), and barely mentioned CA HSR at all, except to imply that it's part of some bad trend that Brightline has "bucked" (headline has since changed), and to imply that it may not even be under construction yet, followed by the statement that it's "slow-moving". There were literally two sentences about it in the entire article, both negative, plus a passing negative mention in the headline…

…The SF Chronicle is an extremely lame excuse for a news outlet. Dishonest 🞵🞵🞵🞵 like this is part of the reason why the general public knows little to nothing about CA HSR...
The Chronicle and S.F. Gate are no longer directly related (though same parent company). The Chronicle might have its biases, but isn’t corporate shill clickbait the way S.F. gate is.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #3999  
Old Posted Dec 8, 2023, 10:53 PM
craigs's Avatar
craigs craigs is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 11,031
Today's LA Times editorial is upbeat about CAHSR (and Brightline). I am posting this in full because it is behind a paywall:

Funding for California’s bullet trains puts the high-speed rail revolution back on track

Editorial Board
Los Angeles Times
December 8, 2023

Finally, the federal government is putting serious money behind a greener and faster transportation system.

This week, the Biden administration announced $6 billion in funding for two high-speed rail projects that will eventually whisk passengers across California and Nevada on electrified trains that can travel 200 mph or faster. It’s a landmark investment in technology that is common in Asian and European countries, but missing in the United States, where the nation’s political leaders have prioritized funding for car and air travel.

The planet is paying the price. The transportation sector is now the nation’s largest source of greenhouse gasses that are fueling global warming and more extreme weather events. Climate change demands visionary, ambitious projects, such as electrified bullet trains, to end our dependence on fossil fuels.

The nation is going to have to invest in transportation infrastructure anyway. Roads are jammed with cars and trucks, and U.S. airports saw a record number of travelers over Thanksgiving weekend. The biggest challenge is building the high-speed rail lines fast enough to meet the need for alternatives to driving or flying.

The federal funding, which comes from the $1-trillion infrastructure package signed in 2021, will help accelerate two major projects: California’s bullet train through the Central Valley and a high-speed route between Southern California and Las Vegas.

Brightline secured $3 billion to build a 218-mile line that will carry passengers between Rancho Cucamonga and Las Vegas in slightly more than two hours. That’s significantly faster than it would be to drive, and it would avoid the soul-crushing traffic along the way. The funding infusion is supposed to get the bullet train operating by 2028, in time for the Olympics in Los Angeles.

Brightline is a private company that sees enormous potential in developing fast trains between large cities. This year, the company launched a higher-speed rail line between Miami and Orlando, Fla., that reaches 125 mph, which isn’t fast enough to be considered high-speed rail.

The Florida route was the first privately operated rail line to begin operations in the U.S. in a century, although, like most major transportation infrastructure projects, it has received public funding. The L.A.-Las Vegas route would also be privately operated. Aside from the $3-billion federal grant, the $12-billion project is expected to be funded through private capital and bonds.

California’s High-Speed Rail Authority received $3.1 billion, which is the largest infusion of federal funding to date for the beleaguered project. The money will help complete the 119-mile segment that is under construction between Madera and Shafter in the Central Valley, buy six electric trains and build a train station in downtown Fresno. The authority still needs $8 billion to $10 billion to finish the first segment that will carry passengers between downtown Merced and Bakersfield, but officials with the authority said the Biden administration has indicated this is a priority project that will be eligible for additional funds.

That federal support is essential. California’s bullet train is the nation’s most ambitious high-speed rail project so far, but it has suffered from overly optimistic projections, patchy political support and inconsistent funding. Now that the project is moving forward, it’s important to have federal, state and local governments working together to get it built.

The value is not just the bullet train itself, which will eventually link San Francisco and Los Angeles. The line will become the backbone of the state’s rail system, connecting to commuter lines, such as Metrolink in Southern California, and other high-speed rail lines, including the Brightline route to Las Vegas.

The work of building out a robust high-speed rail network isn’t easy or cheap. Neither were the development of the nation’s interstate highways and its air travel system. High-speed rail is a wise investment for a cleaner, faster, more comfortable traveling future.
__________________
Chaos upon my enemies, chaos upon my enemies, chaos upon my enemies.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4000  
Old Posted Dec 9, 2023, 5:27 PM
twinpeaks twinpeaks is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 262
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigs View Post
Today's LA Times editorial is upbeat about CAHSR (and Brightline). I am posting this in full because it is behind a paywall:

Funding for California’s bullet trains puts the high-speed rail revolution back on track

Editorial Board
Los Angeles Times
December 8, 2023

Finally, the federal government is putting serious money behind a greener and faster transportation system.

.....

The value is not just the bullet train itself, which will eventually link San Francisco and Los Angeles. The line will become the backbone of the state’s rail system, connecting to commuter lines, such as Metrolink in Southern California, and other high-speed rail lines, including the Brightline route to Las Vegas.

The work of building out a robust high-speed rail network isn’t easy or cheap. Neither were the development of the nation’s interstate highways and its air travel system. High-speed rail is a wise investment for a cleaner, faster, more comfortable traveling future.
Awesome. . LA times Editorial finally in full supports of CA HSR.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Discussion Forums > Transportation
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:51 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.