The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[cdnguys]

If I remember correctly, I believe Fredericton’s airport runway extension was $16m in 2000 so today it’s surely double that.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

If I remember correctly, I believe Fredericton’s airport runway extension was $16m in 2000 so today it’s surely double that.

We'd need a lot better connected/influential MP for that to happen. SJ has a poor record of electing MP's who are other than a face on the back benches regardless of the party in power.(other than maybe Merrithew back in the Mulroney years.)

Anyone know who the Tory candidate will be next time? Anybody who might stand out at all in caucus and be a somebody?.......that's assuming PP doesn't manage to shoot himself in the foot and blow the big lead.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by sailor734

We'd need a lot better connected/influential MP for that to happen. SJ has a poor record of electing MP's who are other than a face on the back benches regardless of the party in power.(other than maybe Merrithew back in the Mulroney years.)

Anyone know who the Tory candidate will be next time? Anybody who might stand out at all in caucus and be a somebody?.......that's assuming PP doesn't manage to shoot himself in the foot and blow the big lead.

I’m an independent strategic voter, but will give credit where credit is due. No MP has brought more funding into Saint John than Wayne Long if you strip out the frigate project. The port alone is $250M. Then you have tens of millions for small nuclear reactor development, Fundy Quay wall, market slip refurbishment, reconstruction of Courtney causeway, museum funding, AREA 506, housing, new NBCC building, healthcare centre of expertise at UNBSJ and the list goes on. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was another huge funding announcement for the airport before he leaves in 2025. Locally he’s even earned the respect of competing parties for the work that he does for this city. I may not always share the same politics, but can safely say he works hard for this city.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

I’m an independent strategic voter, but will give credit where credit is due. No MP has brought more funding into Saint John than Wayne Long if you strip out the frigate project. The port alone is $250M. Then you have tens of millions for small nuclear reactor development, Fundy Quay wall, market slip refurbishment, reconstruction of Courtney causeway, museum funding, AREA 506, housing, new NBCC building, healthcare centre of expertise at UNBSJ and the list goes on. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was another huge funding announcement for the airport before he leaves in 2025. Locally he’s even earned the respect of competing parties for the work that he does for this city. I may not always share the same politics, but can safely say he works hard for this city.

Valid point and an impressive list if taken in isolation. I do wonder however, how much of it is due to Wayne Long's skill and influence as a MP and how much due to an unprecedented flow of government spending in general? A "rising tide lifts all boats" type of situation. It would be interesting to compare federal dollars flowing into the SJ region to other similarly sized census areas across the country. Are we punching above our weight? Just getting our fair share? or getting a relatively meager slice of a absolutely huge pie?

For the record, while I am strongly opposed to the current federal government and would like to see most of the major figures out of power and out of politics soonest, I have voted for both major parties at different points in the past.

[cdnguys]

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[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

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Impressively sized building, especially from that angle. Are those sliders I see for balconies that have yet to be installed? Is this building concrete? Usually balconies are poured as part of each floor aren't they?

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Impressively sized building, especially from that angle. Are those sliders I see for balconies that have yet to be installed? Is this building concrete? Usually balconies are poured as part of each floor aren't they?

Yes definitely going to have balconies. Must be a different technique/style for them

[DyAm00394]

Signage is up at 228 Lancaster Avenue on the west side for the temporary NB Museum Collections and Research Center. This is located here while they work on the renovation/expansion project of the Douglas Avenue building to become the new NB Museum in 2026.





(Photo is from Retail Talk & Share NB)

[DyAm00394]

This was just posted over on the airport thread, but relates to the recent Saint John Airport redevelopment conversation.

Originally Posted by homebody

Source tells me that the airport main runway will be lengthened to facilitate air cargo. Announcement soon they are saying.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

This was just posted over on the airport thread, but relates to the recent Saint John Airport redevelopment conversation.

Very interesting and very good news if true.

[DyAm00394]

Oh I forgot that this was announced in the news back in May, but the SJ Airport CEO said at the time that three lease negotiations are well underway for the undeveloped lands around the airport. Source: https://www.country94.ca/2023/05/15/lease-negotiations-underway-for-ysj-land-development/

If you can recall, back in June two project listings have appeared on the construction project database website, (CCD Canada), titled "Air Cargo Facility, Zone A" and "Gas Station, Zone C". And then yesterday another new project listing appeared for "Manufacturing Facility, Zone D". Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1690502684515770/posts/3618016655097687/


So then that has to be the three lease negotiations he was talking about back in May. Chatter has just came out about the Air Cargo Facility, (the main runway will be extended to accommodate air cargo), and chatter of a new Shell gas station going to be built, (with a new re-located ANBL agency store). Now we just have to wait for chatter regarding the new manufacturing facility. Seems like things are starting to connect and make sense. Thoughts?

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Oh I forgot that this was announced in the news back in May, but the SJ Airport CEO said at the time that three lease negotiations are well underway for the undeveloped lands around the airport. Source: https://www.country94.ca/2023/05/15/lease-negotiations-underway-for-ysj-land-development/

If you can recall, back in June two project listings have appeared on the construction project database website, (CCD Canada), titled "Air Cargo Facility, Zone A" and "Gas Station, Zone C". And then yesterday another new project listing appeared for "Manufacturing Facility, Zone D". Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1690502684515770/posts/3618016655097687/


So then that has to be the three lease negotiations he was talking about back in May. Chatter has just came out about the Air Cargo Facility, (the main runway will be extended to accommodate air cargo), and chatter of a new Shell gas station going to be built, (with a new re-located ANBL agency store). Now we just have to wait for chatter regarding the new manufacturing facility. Seems like things are starting to connect and make sense. Thoughts?

So what would be manufactured but then goes on a plane? Can you imagine if it’s something big like Bombardier or Airbus Industries? Only thing I can think of is OSO opened their Canadian HQ here - maybe they’ll manufacture here too bringing in components from Norway??? BTW, OSO located on the 17th floor of Brunswick Sq for their HQ.

[cdnguys]

Runway to be lengthened to 10,000 feet. Development initiative includes cargo, aircraft maintenance and state of the art training facilities.

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[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Runway to be lengthened to 10,000 feet. Development initiative includes cargo, aircraft maintenance and state of the art training facilities.

[IMG]

Looks like a total redesign of the entire airport.

I was wondering where these renderings were from, but I found them online. They are from a property listing. https://www.collierscanada.com/en-ca/pro...mond-saint-john-new-brunswick/can2014080

"Welcome to an unparalleled opportunity at the Saint John Airport, where premium commercial land awaits your vision. Strategically located in a high-traffic, highly visible area, this land lease opportunity offers unparalleled connectivity to existing infrastructure, making it an ideal investment for your business's long-term success.

Immediate Opportunities:


Local Services Zone (Up to 17 Acres): Perfect for a fuel service station, quick-service restaurant, retail, and more. Prime location at the airport's entrance, witnessing constant traffic inflow.



Airport Amenities Zone (Up to 20 Acres): Ideal for a hotel, food and beverage establishments, professional services, and more. Positioned just behind the main terminal, providing a unique opportunity to enhance traveler experiences.


In 2022, the Saint John Airport welcomed over 149,000 passengers. Here's why this location stands out:



Positioned within 18 km of Saint John's dynamic downtown core and the bustling Port of Saint John.

Benefits from a Free Trade Zone (FTZ) designation, streamlining business operations.

Operational 24/7, providing unparalleled flexibility for businesses.

Recognized as a safe, secure, and efficient airport, offering cost savings and maximum operational efficiencies.

Boasts two runways for enhanced accessibility.

Strategic proximity to major Canada/USA border crossing points within a 3-hour drive.

Ideal location for easy access to major consumer markets in the Maritimes.

Conveniently situated close to the Trans-Canada highway.


The airport is not only a hub for current activities but also presents exciting prospects for the future. Future plans envision a large-scale logistics park offering opportunities for air-related services, manufacturing, and light industrial ventures. In addition, there are future plans for an on-site 200-acre solar farm. Further enhancements include the extension of the runway by an additional 10,000 feet, aligning with ongoing airside development initiatives encompassing air cargo facilities, aircraft maintenance capabilities, and state-of-the-art training facilities. These forward-looking projects underscore the airport's dedication to growth and innovation.

The Saint John Airport is on a trajectory of growth, providing a unique opportunity to align your success with the region's vision. Join the ranks of forward-thinking businesses and become a part of the success story at the Saint John Airport".

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by DyAm00394

Oh I forgot that this was announced in the news back in May, but the SJ Airport CEO said at the time that three lease negotiations are well underway for the undeveloped lands around the airport. Source: https://www.country94.ca/2023/05/15/lease-negotiations-underway-for-ysj-land-development/

If you can recall, back in June two project listings have appeared on the construction project database website, (CCD Canada), titled "Air Cargo Facility, Zone A" and "Gas Station, Zone C". And then yesterday another new project listing appeared for "Manufacturing Facility, Zone D". Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1690502684515770/posts/3618016655097687/


So then that has to be the three lease negotiations he was talking about back in May. Chatter has just came out about the Air Cargo Facility, (the main runway will be extended to accommodate air cargo), and chatter of a new Shell gas station going to be built, (with a new re-located ANBL agency store). Now we just have to wait for chatter regarding the new manufacturing facility. Seems like things are starting to connect and make sense. Thoughts?

Well, hopeful but just chatter at the moment. For the air cargo side the big thing is going to be funding the runway extension. That's mostly political so it doesn't have to make economic sense.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Runway to be lengthened to 10,000 feet. Development initiative includes cargo, aircraft maintenance and state of the art training facilities.

[IMG]

Huge demand for pilots so a commercial flight school might make sense.

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Runway to be lengthened to 10,000 feet. Development initiative includes cargo, aircraft maintenance and state of the art training facilities.

[IMG]

If even half of this rendering gets built it'll be a massive leapfrog for YSJ, it's one of the worst airports in the region right now and totally inadequate for a city with the industrial and commercial base of Saint John's level. Love the ambition in this, especially building out the cargo side, which integrates so well with the diverse rail and sea connections of the city, which are the most robust in the Maritimes.

[DyAm00394]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

My friend who gets his beer from the agency store at runway Irving says they lost the contract and a new Shell station is being built and they got the contract for NBLC. Anyone else hear this?

Someone over on the Retail Talk & Share FB group commented that they asked an employee of that Irving. The employee said that the contract was going to be terminated and moved to a new Scholten’s that was going to be built, but those plans fell through. So the agency store is staying put is what they’ve said.

[adamuptownsj]

Originally Posted by darkharbour

If even half of this rendering gets built it'll be a massive leapfrog for YSJ, it's one of the worst airports in the region right now and totally inadequate for a city with the industrial and commercial base of Saint John's level. Love the ambition in this, especially building out the cargo side, which integrates so well with the diverse rail and sea connections of the city, which are the most robust in the Maritimes.

Rail connection is a ways away, 11 Km if you parallel Route 111 and try to connect through Rothesay. Or a spur somewhere south of Latimore Lake Rd. Still, it has a good trucking connection.

I'm of the opinion we should wait and see what those big tenders are actually for.

[NewIreland]

This makes the most sense to me.