California seeing a sizable influx of new residents relocating from Texas

[mhays]

Well, there are no really urban places in Texas. Not on the San Francisco level in density, transit orientation, etc.

[bnk]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/people...nd-a-sense-of-disenchantment/ar-AA1kxJmx

People are leaving Texas over rising costs, partisan politics, and a sense of disenchantment

MSN/Businees Insider ^ | 11/26/2023 | Alcynna Lloyd


While some homebuyers seek the American dream in Texas, many are leaving the state to find it elsewhere.

"Lifelong Texan here. I am definitely preparing an exit strategy," one anonymous user posted on a Reddit thread about leaving Texas. "From the heat to the stripping away of human rights, I'm just done."

***. "I've been in Texas most of my life, and my husband and I were always planning on retiring here (in about 5 years from now)," they wrote. "But between this intense heat, crazy politics, and cost of living, we've decided to leave for good and head to Knoxville."

While people have been moving into the Lone Star state to take advantage of its relatively affordable real-estate market, political atmosphere, and work opportunities, some of those same qualities are driving others out. Over 494,000 people left Texas between 2021 and 2022 (though the state gained a net population of 174,261.) It's a trend that could intensify as housing costs surge and the state's political landscape becomes more polarized. ***

Californians seeking more affordable homes made the Golden-to-Lone-Star-state moving route the most popular in the country between 2021 and 2022, with almost 108,000 people making the move. ***

"The property tax percentage rate is higher," Marie Bailey, a Texas-based realtor who moved from ***California, to Prosper, Texas, in 2017, previously told Business Insider. "Every time a prospective client calls me, it's one of the first things I talk about."

As Texas starts to lose its edge as an inexpensive and affordable housing choice, many locals are shifting their focus to the Midwest.

For Texans, "the Midwest has emerged as popular recently because it is just by and large the most affordable region," Hannah Jones, Realtor.com's economic research analyst, ***[said]"We're seeing this trend of buyers looking for affordability really explode” ***

[ocman]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

You can rank by counties too, for example...

Q1 2023 Counties by Average Weekly Wage: Computer Progamming:
$18,313--Park, MT(33 number of workers)
$9,702---Douglas, NV(121)
$9,135---Albemarle, VA(642)
$9,036---Childress, TX(75)
$8,508---Alameda, CA(7,721)
$7,901---Roosevelt, MT(3)
$7,621---Essex, MA(1,397)
$6,972---King, WA(18,737)
$6,745---Maui, HI(63)
$6,477---Hancock, ME(37)
$6,284---San Mateo, CA(14,264)
$6,041---Santa Clara, CA(48,828)
$5,705---Hood River, OR(37)
$5,440---New York, NY(42,054)
$5,423---Teton, WY(102)
$5,353---San Francisco, CA(52,245)
$5,352---Boundary, ID(10)
$5,085---Montrose, CO(37)
$5,049---Bradley, TN(92)
$4,819---Steans, MN(92)

bls.gov

Is this accurate? Computer programmers make a lot, but something feels off about these numbers. So the lowest paid average for computer programmers of any metro is getting paid 4819x52=$250,588?

[craigs]

Originally Posted by JManc

Life in Houston is not all that different than life in the Bay Area.

You never took BART.

That's different.

[streetscaper]

Originally Posted by JManc

Life in Houston is not all that different than life in the Bay Area.

lol this is reaching

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by JManc

I'll let Riverranchdrone speak for himself but the problem is boiling a huge state down to a few stereotypes. Like any place, Texas has its upsides and downsides. Life in Houston is not all that different than life in the Bay Area.

Conspicuous California people have built their self-identities around things they likely do not actually do, at least with any frequency. Most of them sit inside watching TV and arguing with strangers on the internet just like the rest of the country.

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

Conspicuous California people have built their self-identities around things they likely do not actually do, at least with any frequency. Most of them sit inside watching TV and arguing with strangers on the internet just like the rest of the country.

This post sounds like someone projecting.

San Francisco has the highest percentage of population with walkable park access (98%). Next, add in the 45 days where the temperature in Houston is over 100 degrees (with 130 days over 90 degrees). Those two things alone make for a pretty big difference in day-to-day life, especially if you have children.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by JManc

True but for all intents and purposes, it acts as one and there is a lot of overlap (Caltrain, BART, etc) among the systems but again, $70 billion might not be much compared to the federal budget but it's well over 2x what the Big Dig cost after 20 years including cost overruns and delays. If the Bay Area requests that kind of money so will virtually everyone else.

The federal government should have as good of a program for funding rapid transit as they do for the interstate highway system. There was a pretty generous program in the 1960s that was started by either the Johnson or Nixon Administration, but killed by Reagan in the early 1980s. That said, the Bay Area is the richest major urban economy per capita on the globe. They can definitely afford to build a transit system. Their problem is political.

[azliam]

Originally Posted by Riverranchdrone

Native Texans blame all their problem on Californians. They really dislike anything from California. I do not believe a large number are moving to Cali when Texas has so much more to offer.

Perhaps for the same reasons some native Arizonans dislike the constant flow of Californians. As an example and after awhile, "The Mexican food in CA is so much better, The Sushi in CA is so much better," etc. becomes extremely tiresome to listen to. Sometimes, they just don't know when to STFU.

[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

The federal government should have as good of a program for funding rapid transit as they do for the interstate highway system. There was a pretty generous program in the 1960s that was started by either the Johnson or Nixon Administration, but killed by Reagan in the early 1980s. That said, the Bay Area is the richest major urban economy per capita on the globe. They can definitely afford to build a transit system. Their problem is political.

The Federal Government can't even pass a budget, I doubt that a sizeable amount of Republicans will want funding for new transit

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact

The Federal Government can't even pass a budget, I doubt that a sizeable amount of Republicans will want funding for new transit

I'm talking about long term policy. But I think this could be done without Congress through the Department of Transportation.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by moorhosj1

This post sounds like someone projecting.

San Francisco has the highest percentage of population with walkable park access (98%). Next, add in the 45 days where the temperature in Houston is over 100 degrees (with 130 days over 90 degrees). Those two things alone make for a pretty big difference in day-to-day life, especially if you have children.

That guy doesnt live in California and continues pretending/lying what Californians do. He said some crap before like "people in LA don't hike" or some crazy shit. I was in Seattle on a "popular" trail and it wasn't anything like the LA trails. Same for trails back east. It's not the same. AT ALL

Everyone in my office is doing something outdoors on the weekends, either on the beach, biking or hiking. Its a big part of the lifestyle here. Unlike back east, the weather makes it easy to do so.

[Buckeye Native 001]

Originally Posted by azliam

"The Mexican food in CA is so much better..."

Can't speak for the sushi (my palette sucks) but having lived in both Arizona and California, the Mexican food options are different, but I don't believe one is better than the other.

At least in Southern California, the Mexican food seems to be more seafood-influenced (Baja California/Mexican Pacific Coast) and in Arizona, more Sonoran. I was that jackass in Orange County who preferred Arizona/Sonoran Mexican food.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by craigs

You never took BART.

That's different.

Had no need to; work was within a 20 minute drive and even if I lived in SF proper and commuted to my job in the East Bay, I would have used company shuttles but yeah, I had an opportunity to work at Levi HQ and would have absolutely used BART.

Originally Posted by streetscaper

lol this is reaching

So your ass sitting in New York is going to tell me my lifestyle between Houston and the Bay Area wasn't all that different? Ok...

Originally Posted by ocman

Is this accurate? Computer programmers make a lot, but something feels off about these numbers. So the lowest paid average for computer programmers of any metro is getting paid 4819x52=$250,588?

Sounds about right and often, those salaries ireflect bonuses and stock options. Where I worked, the average programmer/ dev made at least 300k and they were all under 40.

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by bnk

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/people...nd-a-sense-of-disenchantment/ar-AA1kxJmx

People are leaving Texas over rising costs, partisan politics, and a sense of disenchantment

MSN/Businees Insider ^ | 11/26/2023 | Alcynna Lloyd


While some homebuyers seek the American dream in Texas, many are leaving the state to find it elsewhere.

"Lifelong Texan here. I am definitely preparing an exit strategy," one anonymous user posted on a Reddit thread about leaving Texas. "From the heat to the stripping away of human rights, I'm just done."

***. "I've been in Texas most of my life, and my husband and I were always planning on retiring here (in about 5 years from now)," they wrote. "But between this intense heat, crazy politics, and cost of living, we've decided to leave for good and head to Knoxville."

I get it. But Knoxville? In Tennessee? America's Christofascist capital?

[JoninATX]

Originally Posted by bnk

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/people...nd-a-sense-of-disenchantment/ar-AA1kxJmx

People are leaving Texas over rising costs, partisan politics, and a sense of disenchantment

MSN/Businees Insider ^ | 11/26/2023 | Alcynna Lloyd


While some homebuyers seek the American dream in Texas, many are leaving the state to find it elsewhere.

"Lifelong Texan here. I am definitely preparing an exit strategy," one anonymous user posted on a Reddit thread about leaving Texas. "From the heat to the stripping away of human rights, I'm just done."

***. "I've been in Texas most of my life, and my husband and I were always planning on retiring here (in about 5 years from now)," they wrote. "But between this intense heat, crazy politics, and cost of living, we've decided to leave for good and head to Knoxville."

While people have been moving into the Lone Star state to take advantage of its relatively affordable real-estate market, political atmosphere, and work opportunities, some of those same qualities are driving others out. Over 494,000 people left Texas between 2021 and 2022 (though the state gained a net population of 174,261.) It's a trend that could intensify as housing costs surge and the state's political landscape becomes more polarized. ***

Californians seeking more affordable homes made the Golden-to-Lone-Star-state moving route the most popular in the country between 2021 and 2022, with almost 108,000 people making the move. ***

"The property tax percentage rate is higher," Marie Bailey, a Texas-based realtor who moved from ***California, to Prosper, Texas, in 2017, previously told Business Insider. "Every time a prospective client calls me, it's one of the first things I talk about."

As Texas starts to lose its edge as an inexpensive and affordable housing choice, many locals are shifting their focus to the Midwest.

For Texans, "the Midwest has emerged as popular recently because it is just by and large the most affordable region," Hannah Jones, Realtor.com's economic research analyst, ***[said]"We're seeing this trend of buyers looking for affordability really explode” ***

What the article doesn't address is that 668,000 moved to Texas and 450,000 bitrhs last year. So if half a million moved out then Texas still gained have 600,000+ new residents. So in all Texas doing just fine.

[streetscaper]

Originally Posted by JManc

So your ass sitting in New York is going to tell me my lifestyle between Houston and the Bay Area wasn't all that different? Ok...

lol, Your comment...

Originally Posted by JManc

Life in Houston is not all that different than life in the Bay Area.

.... was a general statement (at least that's the way most would interpret it), not one specific to your particular life.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by jmecklenborg

Conspicuous California people have built their self-identities around things they likely do not actually do, at least with any frequency. Most of them sit inside watching TV and arguing with strangers on the internet just like the rest of the country.

Yet another cool story, bro.

Originally Posted by JManc

So your ass sitting in New York is going to tell me my lifestyle between Houston and the Bay Area wasn't all that different? Ok...

No different than Mecklenborg's hater ass sitting in Cincinnati pretending that he knows Californians have fraudulently constructed our self-identities. Lame.

Originally Posted by JoninATX

What the article doesn't address is that 668,000 moved to Texas and 450,000 bitrhs last year. So if half a million moved out then Texas still gained have 600,000+ new residents. So in all Texas doing just fine.

Yeah, the numbers being discussed in this thread are, for the most part, peanuts relative to the total populations of Texas and California. Californians have been pointing this out for years, every time these kinds of articles come up.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by streetscaper

lol, Your comment...



.... was a general statement (at least that's the way most would interpret it), not one specific to your particular life.

How would I even know if it weren't from my own personal experiences?

[twinpeaks]

Originally Posted by JManc

I'll let Riverranchdrone speak for himself but the problem is boiling a huge state down to a few stereotypes. Like any place, Texas has its upsides and downsides. Life in Houston is not all that different than life in the Bay Area.

I think you mean "your" life in Houston is not different from the Bay. If you are like shopping at the mall or going to the movies, it's the same everywhere. For people who are active or love the outdoors, there's a big difference between Houston and Bay Area. Weather alone can influence your lifestyle. We drive up to Lake Tahoe on the weekend when there is fresh dump of powder to snowboard. During the dry season, my friends are planning something outdoorsy, like hiking in the nearby mountains, backpacking in the Sierra Nevada, hang-out at a city park, a bonfire on the beach at night, etc. I'm pretty sure my lifestyle will be different if I lived in Houston or anywhere in Texas.