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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 2:31 PM
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Now here is what I don't get.

If the number of women wearing religious modesty coverings is inconsequential and has no impact on Canadian society (or even contemporary geopolitics!) then why the argument over whether there are many, a few or almost none in Gatineau, Ottawa, Montreal or wherever?

If what people claim is true then it should make no difference whether it's 1% of women or 50% of women, right?
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 2:45 PM
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Now here is what I don't get.

If the number of women wearing religious modesty coverings is inconsequential and has no impact on Canadian society (or even contemporary geopolitics!) then why the argument over whether there are many, a few or almost none in Gatineau, Ottawa, Montreal or wherever?

If what people claim is true then it should make no difference whether it's 1% of women or 50% of women, right?
"The Other" cuts across the political spectrum?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 2:46 PM
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I’d point out he’s totally incorrect, if he wants to “personify French People” it should be something like “Didier from Grenoble”

And yep, not insulting at all — I could actually see you use exactly those words to illustrate a situation in present-day Montreal (“my kid knew as soon as this fellow student opened his mouth…”)
Well played.

And yes I do it all the time for francophones too as in "Jean-Guy from Ste-Mâchemâleau".
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 2:48 PM
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"The Other" cuts across the political spectrum?
More than ever I'd argue, and perilously so.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 3:07 PM
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Place of birth of the Muslim immigrants at the 2021 census.

Québec:
- born in the Maghreb: 156,795 (53% of all Muslim immigrants)
- born in the Middle East: 66,320
- born in sub-Saharan Africa: 32,540 (of which Somalia: 625)
- born in the Indian subcontinent: 22,075
- born in France: 5,420
- born in the Balkans: 2,420
- born in the US: 2,180
- rest of the world: 5,840

Ontario:
- born in the Middle East: 275,075 (41% of all Muslim immigrants)
- born in the Indian sub-continent: 246,060
- born in sub-Saharan Africa: 70,970 (of which Somalia: 20,730)
- born in the Maghreb: 16,925
- born in the Balkans: 11,865
- born in the US: 11,245
- born in Guyana: 10,550
- born in the UK: 4,020
- born in Trinidad and Tobago: 3,570
- rest of the world: 16,355

Two very different sorts of Muslim immigration.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 3:16 PM
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QC 125 updated seat count projection based on aggregated polling:

CAQ 40
PQ 39
PLQ 28
QS 12
CON 6

https://qc125.com/

Would make for a very very interesting National Assembly.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 3:21 PM
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Hung parliament for sure.

Of course, Quebecois voters are inordinately fickle, prone to changing their minds on a whim, and, as such, whatever happens during the election campaign could have a huge influence on the outcome.

Didn't Acajack say the new PQ leader is charismatic and popular???
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 3:28 PM
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Of course, Quebecois voters are inordinately fickle, prone to changing their minds on a whim
Children, in other words. Children who need to be tutored and educated, probably.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 3:36 PM
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Children, in other words. Children who need to be tutored and educated, probably.
Hi Yuri, how's the weather in Smolensk???
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 3:39 PM
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QC 125 updated seat count projection based on aggregated polling:

CAQ 40
PQ 39
PLQ 28
QS 12
CON 6

https://qc125.com/

Would make for a very very interesting National Assembly.
A merged Parti Québécois-Solidaire would likely be in majority territory right now.

Each party thought they were the “senior” partner, now we know PQ was right and QS was wrong
     
     
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A merged Parti Québécois-Solidaire would likely be in majority territory right now.

Each party thought they were the “senior” partner, now we know PQ was right and QS was wrong
A merger simply wasn't possible once QS fully embraced identity politics. Either both sides will tear each other apart on the secularism question from the inside, or there'd be a massive hemorrhage of QS voters that will decamp and find a friendlier woke alternative. QS is a personification of the island's Bobo politics that will not fly with PQ militants in the rest of Quebec.
     
     
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Hung parliament for sure.
Why? Couldn't some coalition be formed that has the confidence of the Assembly?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 9:28 PM
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Typical Anglo-Saxon comment. What you fail to see, however, is the social pressure in their communities to wear the veil. In many neighborhoods of suburban France now, women and teenagers who do not wear the veil (usually the Black robe, not some small colored headcover) are called "whores" by young males in the neighborhood, and harassed on a daily basis. Many cave in. So they put the veil/robe on to be left in peace, and remove it when they arrive in central Paris for shopping or visiting, before putting it on again when they return to their suburb.

Also, what you fail to see is that it's not some organic, spontaneous thing, but it is a movement organized and guided by Islamist groups who have a project to take over the entire world. Imposing the veil on women is part of that global agenda, and it's frankly sinister. Liberal Muslim women are the first who complain about it, seeing their freedom daily curtailed, with no support from naive people like you who see no problem with the veil.
Who made you wise man of SSP? Your point of view is just that.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 11:10 PM
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A merger simply wasn't possible once QS fully embraced identity politics. Either both sides will tear each other apart on the secularism question from the inside, or there'd be a massive hemorrhage of QS voters that will decamp and find a friendlier woke alternative. QS is a personification of the island's Bobo politics that will not fly with PQ militants in the rest of Quebec.
QS went in too deep saying that the PQ are irredeemably racist so they can't go back now.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2023, 11:11 PM
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In French we do. Bombay, Calcutta, Madras (Chennai is less frequently used in French), Bénarès. French-speakers also say "Birmanie" and not "Myanmar", "Pékin" and not "Beijing", "Canton" and not "Guangzhou", etc.
Because you have no respect for other cultures. Can I still call it Hull or it's Gatineau now? In fairness it was listed as Hull for like 10 years in Montreal still.
     
     
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I just read about this poll for Quebec from Pallas Data. When you look at the Island of Montreal it is very split between four parties.

https://qc125.com/proj/2023-11-23-pallas123.pdf

But the poll for the entire province is showing the Legault government doing worse than the Trudeau government federally! I know it's only one poll but when the leading party has only 30% we can't predict the next election which is three years away.

PQ: 30%

CAQ: 24%

PLQ: 16%

QS: 16%

PCQ: 11%

Other: 3%

Has the PLQ already hit rock bottom and may see better times ahead? About half of the francophone population supports the pro-sovereignty parties (PQ and SQ) in this poll but and we know that not all of those parties' supporters are pro-sovereignty. But the pro-sovereignty vote is split up and not united like before.

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Because you have no respect for other cultures. Can I still call it Hull or it's Gatineau now? In fairness it was listed as Hull for like 10 years in Montreal still.
So you mean if the Italians call Paris as "Parigi", that means they have no respect for other cultures? What about the Anglophones who call the city of Dar-el-Beida as "Casablanca", or who call the city of Firenze as "Florence". No respect for other cultures?
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2023, 2:33 AM
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So you mean if the Italians call Paris as "Parigi", that means they have no respect for other cultures? What about the Anglophones who call the city of Dar-el-Beida as "Casablanca", or who call the city of Firenze as "Florence". No respect for other cultures?
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QS went in too deep saying that the PQ are irredeemably racist so they can't go back now.
Yea they're too far deep now, like temporarily blocking men from running for QS nominations

Québec solidaire exclura les hommes en cas d’élection partielle
https://www.journaldequebec.com/2023/11/25/qs-exclura-les-hommes-en-cas-delection-partielle

New Brisavoine, you'll love this tidbit:

«On ne détruira pas le patriarcat à coup de suggestions», a lâché au micro Maïka Sondarjee, une militante solidaire de Hull. Elle et l’ensemble des délégués du parti réunis en congrès ont adopté à majorité une proposition qui règle la question des hommes jusqu'au prochain congrès, à l'automne 2024.

D'ici là, seules les femmes et les personnes non binaires auront le droit de se présenter sous la bannière solidaire.
     
     
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Yea they're too far deep now, like temporarily blocking men from running for QS nominations

Québec solidaire exclura les hommes en cas d’élection partielle
https://www.journaldequebec.com/2023/11/25/qs-exclura-les-hommes-en-cas-delection-partielle

New Brisavoine, you'll love this tidbit:

«On ne détruira pas le patriarcat à coup de suggestions», a lâché au micro Maïka Sondarjee, une militante solidaire de Hull. Elle et l’ensemble des délégués du parti réunis en congrès ont adopté à majorité une proposition qui règle la question des hommes jusqu'au prochain congrès, à l'automne 2024.

D'ici là, seules les femmes et les personnes non binaires auront le droit de se présenter sous la bannière solidaire.
And the new female spokesperson for QS Émilise Lessard-Therrien is an ex-MNA who was defeated in the election last year for the riding of Rouyn-Noranda-Témiscamingue.
     
     
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