Lincoln Fields Shopping Centre Redevelopment | U/C

[DarthVader_1961]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

A new Metro will be built on the eastern boundary, mid-way between Carling and Richmond before the existing store is demolished.

Cool

[Marcus CLS]

phase one demolition is complete. Structural steel for 2 story commercial building fronting on Carling Ave. is up. I presume construction of the new Metro Grocery store building will commence soon.

[rocketphish]

The progress as of today:









March 21, 2021
Photos by me

[GeoNerd]

Riocan absolutely dropped the ball on this one. From their design to their phasing, and everything in between. Yikes. This is amateur hour.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by GeoNerd

Riocan absolutely dropped the ball on this one. From their design to their phasing, and everything in between. Yikes. This is amateur hour.

Agreed. They could have started with a new tower with space for Metro and Rexall instead of building more temporary big-box type buildings to make way for a tower.

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Agreed. They could have started with a new tower with space for Metro and Rexall instead of building more temporary big-box type buildings to make way for a tower.

Your both kinds ignoring that there are other parties involved in this then just Riocan. Namely Metro and Rexall both of which have input into this as they are major tenants for Riocan

And it's not like the area of parking and etc won't eventually be replaced.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

Your both kinds ignoring that there are other parties involved in this then just Riocan. Namely Metro and Rexall both of which have input into this as they are major tenants for Riocan

And it's not like the area of parking and etc won't eventually be replaced.

I suppose the two tenants may have demanded stand alone buildings, but I'm not sure how likely that is. With or without a tower above them, they would still have surface parking for at least another decade.

[GeoNerd]

Originally Posted by Williamoforange

Your both kinds ignoring that there are other parties involved in this then just Riocan. Namely Metro and Rexall both of which have input into this as they are major tenants for Riocan

And it's not like the area of parking and etc won't eventually be replaced.

Yes, but that's not how development works. Riocan is the landowner and Metro/Rexall are simply tenants.They have no say in how Riocan develops their land. If they didn't agree with the plan, Riocan can simply let their leases run out and part ways, or break the lease. Riocan would obviously like to keep these high profile tenants, but placing their retail stores in the podium with towers on top would be a positive, not a negative. They are automatically adding hundreds of customers. Moving surface parking underground is also a positive. I would be very surprised if Rexall or Metro objected to residential density above. Now they're in a temporary building and will need to pack up and move again sometime in the future.

Riocan's Westgate development is the perfect example. Shopper's is moving from it's current mall location to the podium of the tower development. Parking relocated underground.

[waterloowarrior]

Originally Posted by GeoNerd

Yes, but that's not how development works. Riocan is the landowner and Metro/Rexall are simply tenants.They have no say in how Riocan develops their land. If they didn't agree with the plan, Riocan can simply let their leases run out and part ways, or break the lease. Riocan would obviously like to keep these high profile tenants, but placing their retail stores in the podium with towers on top would be a positive, not a negative. They are automatically adding hundreds of customers. Moving surface parking underground is also a positive. I would be very surprised if Rexall or Metro objected to residential density above. Now they're in a temporary building and will need to pack up and move again sometime in the future.

Riocan's Westgate development is the perfect example. Shopper's is moving from it's current mall location to the podium of the tower development. Parking relocated underground.

Anchor tenants like Metro have much stronger leases than regular stores including guarantees for parking spaces in front of the store and views from the road. In the development docs Riocan says that the layout is based on allowing for interim development while respecting the lease requirements.

[GeoNerd]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Anchor tenants like Metro have much stronger leases than regular stores including guarantees for parking spaces in front of the store and views from the road. In the development docs Riocan says that the layout is based on allowing for interim development while respecting the lease requirements.

Hence why I said Riocan has options. They still had the opportunity to let the lease run their course, break the lease (not preferred by anyone), or work with the tenants for podium relocations. These companies have smart people working for them that understand large mixed-use redevelopments. I doubt they'd be up in arms over a mixed-use podium/tower design.

A lazy play to build stand alones with surface parking. Also the environmental costs to build temp buildings is high. Quite amateur.

[J.OT13]

Bay Ward Bulletin
June 4, 2021

• Rexall – end of June 2021 (week of June 22)
• Metro – estimated end of Q3 2021 (September 30th)
• Wendy’s – estimated end of Q3 2021 (September 30th)

I enquired with Riocan about the opening dates of the stores on the site of the former Lincoln Fields Mall. Once Rexall and Metro move into their new locations, the rest of the mall will be demolished. Riocan has no current plans for additional construction once the mall is demolished. They are waiting on the Lincoln Fields Station Secondary Plan consultation to be completed.

https://www.baywardbulletin.ca/opening-dates-for-lincoln-fields-stores/

[GeoNerd]

The old mall is now coming down completely.

[Marcus CLS]

The building is now completely down. Still lots of clean up to do. Hopefully new site plan proposals will come soon. I believe a master plan of sorts is already approved.

[J.OT13]

Cross-post:

Originally Posted by RideauRat

Imagery

[Harley613]

So the brand new Metro, Rexall, and Wendys are all temporary?!?

[Proof Sheet]

Originally Posted by RideauRat

The owners and tenants of this building may have something to say about this plan

https://maps.app.goo.gl/6ezjD5SHCFQdoCkp9

[Williamoforange]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

The owners and tenants of this building may have something to say about this plan

https://maps.app.goo.gl/6ezjD5SHCFQdoCkp9

The unit is not displayed but is accounted for with the concrete pad behind the quickie

[Williamoforange]

What is with all the small side streets....there not needed and takeaway pedestrian space.

So just remove them, bury the cross-roads into the parking garage and create two loading docks/Delivery areas ; one for each half of the site split by the park. Visitor parking for apartments are shared with retail parking.

[antresenect]

Originally Posted by Harley613

So the brand new Metro, Rexall, and Wendys are all temporary?!?

From June 2019: https://www.baywardbulletin.ca/riocan-presents-possible-concepts-for-lincoln-fields-site-over-time/

“Wendy’s will be rebuilt at the same spot, but their lease will not be renewed. They have about 8 years left on the site.”

So the new Wendy’s will only be open six years total, I think it reopened in 2021. I assume this has to do with terms of the insurance money or lease or something. Unless this thing drags on even more and it gets extended.

[J.OT13]

I would hope to see Riocan purchase the Quickie and chiropractic clinic in order to integrate them with the redevelopment. Too late for that 4 storey building.