NEW YORK | 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt) | 1,581 FT | 92 FLOORS

[streetscaper]

Originally Posted by NYguy

30 HY was originally supposed to be a shorter tower. One Vanderbilt as well (mentioned above). CPT, Steinway, 270 Park, BT, 432 Park, 520 5th all were at one time planned to be shorter towers. Even the ESB was at one time planned to be a shorter building. But none of that matters. Because we know any proposal can change at any time. We don't harp on that in every single thread on this forum because it makes no sense to until we have the facts to suggests that something will change. We know what we know until it changes. Bottom line, it makes no sense to harp on it here, short of any factual information.

It happens the most in this thread and that is absolutely natural because this may be the tallest building in western hemisphere by roof height if built as is. That is a big if in some minds because of past buildings getting a height cut and because the economical situation is dynamic as discussed. This is a discussion forum and we are discussing the potential of a proposal. Proposals can change, and they do. And we should be able to discuss that. Don't see what's to get all worked up about .....Aesthetically, there is currently a plateau of supertalls forming in midtown and this building could potentially break it, allowing for a nice pinnacle to form on the skyline once more. Even a 100ft reduction of height would be lamentable as it would then be brought back to plateau level.


All some are saying is don't think this building is 100000% guaranteed, ultra sure bet to rise as is and are instead injecting a dose of measured optimism.

[Zapatan]

All some are saying is don't think this building is 100000% guaranteed, ultra sure bet to rise as is and are instead injecting a dose of measured optimism.

The location makes me optimistic for this one but apparently they still need to find a tenant. Who knows how long that's going to take.


Also, anyone know the answer to this?

1,575' is the max allowable for this site though right? Does this count parapets or just solid roof?

[HyperPower]

Originally Posted by BXFrank

Spire, no spire, slight height cut I’m still excited, at ground level it complements 1 Vanderbilt and the Grand Central area with the much needed redevelopment. this and 2 WTC been on top of my wish list, with all these new towers going up, I’m definitely paying more visits to the city for pics.

Definitely, this location is arguably the best on earth. You literally are connected to Grand Central and the Chrysler Building is your neighbor.

The reason for the 480 meter height is because of the Hyatt Hotel taking the top 1/3 of the tower. Its only 2+ msf of office which is equivalent to the Bank of America tower. This will be the next great building the City receives. Put a spire on it

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by streetscaper

It happens the most in this thread and that is absolutely natural because this may be the tallest building in western hemisphere by roof height if built as is. That is a big if in some minds because of past buildings getting a height cut and because the economical situation is dynamic as discussed. This is a discussion forum and we are discussing the potential of a proposal. Proposals can change, and they do. And we should be able to discuss that. Don't see what's to get all worked up about .....Aesthetically, there is currently a plateau of supertalls forming in midtown and this building could potentially break it, allowing for a nice pinnacle to form on the skyline once more. Even a 100ft reduction of height would be lamentable as it would then be brought back to plateau level.


All some are saying is don't think this building is 100000% guaranteed, ultra sure bet to rise as is and are instead injecting a dose of measured optimism.

Ignorance is no excuse. There is No factor or even suggestion that this building will not move forward as planned. As such, we won’t entertain it. If you guys want to worry about in in your own minds, feel free.

Originally Posted by Zapatan

The location makes me optimistic for this one but apparently they still need to find a tenant. Who knows how long that's going to take.

Also, anyone know the answer to this?

As far as the max height, the agreement is that it won’t go higher. The developers see no reason it would, but they would have to go back to planning for anything higher. It’s not strictly a height limit though, as height limits in New York City refer to the main roof.

[streetscaper]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Ignorance is no excuse. There is No factor or even suggestion that this building will not move forward as planned. As such, we won’t entertain it. If you guys want to worry about in in your own minds, feel free.

lol you missed the point yet again, but let's move on

[HyperPower]

Please stop arguing about meaningless talking points... its like a chat bot fighting with itself.

The building is only 2+ msf of office space. Thats like the BofA tower. The Hotel is taking most of the top, its coming guys relax.

[ChiND]

I wonder why they don’t close the hotel and start demolition. Won’t that take about two years to raze the hotel and prepare the foundations for the new tower?

[mrnyc]

are they even marketing and pitching this tower to businesses and hotels as yet?

i mean like full court press now?

or too soon??

also, i wonder if hyatt gets first dibs, or any special preference at the new hotel section?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by streetscaper

lol you missed the point yet again, but let's move on

Not hard to miss when there is none.

Originally Posted by ChiND

I wonder why they don’t close the hotel and start demolition. Won’t that take about two years to raze the hotel and prepare the foundations for the new tower?

No, demolition and construction will begin at the same time. It will be very similar to what happened with 270 Park Avenue.















As far as the hotel closing, it only reopened to satisfy a City mandate. I would be surprised if it didn't stay open at least through the holidays. But who knows.

Originally Posted by mrnyc

are they even marketing and pitching this tower to businesses and hotels as yet?

i mean like full court press now?

or too soon??

also, i wonder if hyatt gets first dibs, or any special preference at the new hotel section?

There are a few photos a couple of pages back, though they don't show us anything. The hotel itself will be a Hyatt brand.

Originally Posted by NYguy

https://therealdeal.com/new-york/2023/10/11/rxrs-175-park-avenue-showroom-set-up-at-one-vanderbilt/

Rechler brings prospects to One Vandy to help lease planned office tower
RXR’s showroom marketing 175 Park Avenue’s 2 MSF of office





By Rich Bockmann
Oct 11, 2023

[gramsjdg]

A very robust and tall spire could work well on this tower. I'm thinking something like the top section of the ESB (above floor 86) with its concave curvature but in the style of 175 park, of course. That could easily hit the 2000' FAA limit and not look out of proportion at all. (as long as you could make such a large structure not count as the "roof")

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by gramsjdg

A very robust and tall spire could work well on this tower. I'm thinking something like the top section of the ESB (above floor 86) with its concave curvature but in the style of 175 park, of course. That could easily hit the 2000' FAA limit and not look out of proportion at all. (as long as you could make such a large structure not count as the "roof")

If the spire were the same proportions as 1WTC we'd be flirting with mega tall territory on this bad boy.

That probably won't happen though and honestly I prefer roof / crown height.

What are the odds this gets a tenant and starts next year?

[pianowizard]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

If the spire were the same proportions as 1WTC we'd be flirting with mega tall territory on this bad boy.

The second tallest building in the world, Merdeka 118, has an absurdly oversized spire that accounts for 23.35% of the total architectural height. Assuming Grand Hyatt's roof will be at 1,575 ft, adding 23.35% (367.76 ft) would only reach 1,942.76 ft or 592.15 m, shy of the megatall threshold. Perhaps a more realistic and aesthetically reasonable goal is to add a 202 ft spire to beat 1WTC's architectural height by 1 ft.

Originally Posted by Zapatan

honestly I prefer roof / crown height.

Same here, as NYC already has too many buildings that rely overly on spires. I would settle for having a roof that's higher than 1,550 ft, the current highest roof outside Asia.

[Mulan]

I still assume that a slender tower with a prominent spire would be taller than the official design. Okay yes, maybe I like my own concept (Sky High Tower) better than the official tower.

[HyperPower]

The boys over at SkyscraperCity already drew up a more aesthetic and geometricly scaled model with a spire. Looks like the Chrysler Building's big brother.

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/n...ue-480m-1575ft-85-fl-app.2152900/page-18


Credit - Sleimson

[SkyHigher]

^ Looks like it belongs more in Dubai.

I feel it could taper once more to get it towards 1775ft at least, so no need for 'another' spire.

Though I do wonder if this was constructed first how different Vandy's design would have been.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by gramsjdg

A very robust and tall spire could work well on this tower. I'm thinking something like the top section of the ESB

I've thought a lattice type spire would fit in with the design of the crown, but isn't really necessary though.

Originally Posted by pianowizard

Same here, as NYC already has too many buildings that rely overly on spires.

NYC hardly has too many spires. It would maybe to many on a smaller skyline, but for the size and number of skyscrapers in NY, not by a long shot. This building won't have a spire, but I'm sure some others will, and it'll be just fine.

[NYguy]

Even though the Hudson Yards continues to shine (it’s where all the new towers are), East Midtown remains strong, and is the most desired location. It’s why new space is needed there. RXR won’t have an issue filling that 2 msf of office. All other new towers in the city of comparable size are full or nearly full. Manhattan West is the latest to join thise ranks.


https://nypost.com/2023/11/19/business/law-firm-scottscott-expands-at-230-park-ave/

Law firm Scott+Scott expands at 230 Park Ave amid office resurgence in Grand Central area


By Steve Cuozzo
Nov. 19, 2023

Global litigation law firm Scott+Scott expanded at RXR Realty’s 230 Park Ave., taking a 21,300-square-foot direct lease to replace a smaller sublease on a different floor.

It might seem modest in a 1.3 million square-foot tower. But RXR executive VP and New York managing director Bill Elder said it typifies the activity at 230 Park and in the Grand Central area as a whole.

The tower also known as the Helmsley Building, which enjoyed a $190 million infrastructure upgrade, is about 80% leased and Elder said more leases are in the pipeline. In the blocks around the terminal, some properties “are 100% leased. There’s no vacancy.”

He noted, “There’s a ton of activity at [Milstein’s and Brookfield’s] 22 Vanderbilt” nearby — where, as we reported, a 250,000 square-foot lease for Bain & Co. appears to be imminent.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/19/business/spains-bbva-signs-lease-at-two-manhattan-west/

Spain’s BBVA joins ‘flight to quality’ trend with lease at Two Manhattan West


By Steve Cuozzo
Nov. 19, 2023

The so-called “flight to quality” is more accurately a stampede, as another defection from a traditional Midtown corridor to the far West Side demonstrates.

The latest to leave a mid-20th Century office tower for a brand-new, highly amenitized one is Spanish financial services firm BBVA. The bank signed for 74,000 square feet at Brookfield’s Two Manhattan West and will leave behind 42,000 square feet at Fisher Brothers’ 1345 Sixth Ave. — even though that building was thoroughly modernized over the past few years.

Regina Gil, head of BBVA corporate and investment banking in the US, called its new home “a prime building in a very attractive location, which will provide the best possible experience to our team in New York. This is one more step in our growth plans in the US as well as in our commitment to sustainability by choosing a building powered by renewable energy.”

The 58-story tower will opens its doors in the first quarter of 2024. Its 1.9 million square feet are already more than 80% leased. Tenants include KPMG and law firms Cravath, Swaine & Moore and Clifford Chance.

Sister tower One Manhattan West, which was completed first, is 99% leased.

[gramsjdg]

Originally Posted by HyperPower

The boys over at SkyscraperCity already drew up a more aesthetic and geometricly scaled model with a spire. Looks like the Chrysler Building's big brother.

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/n...ue-480m-1575ft-85-fl-app.2152900/page-18


Credit - Sleimson

That actually looks pretty cool.

[ChiND]

Since there’s no indication that this hotel will close, I’m doubtful that this project will begin construction this decade. Maybe it’s a project for the 2020s.

[Mulan]