Edmonton Retail Thread - Page 190

Coldrsx · #**3781** Posted **Nov 15, 2023, 9:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by stefanYEG

The Rexall already closed? I thought it was temporarily closed a while back while work was being done on the building but I had no idea it closed permanently. Is anything else moving into that space?

Nowhere near enough foot traffic for that to have opened initially really and then COVID killed it and then some.

There are plans to demise the space into two F&B spots with what looks to be a quick service type and a bar and grill type which are much better for that location anyways.

Harrison · #**3782** Posted **Nov 16, 2023, 6:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Nowhere near enough foot traffic for that to have opened initially really and then COVID killed it and then some.

There are plans to demise the space into two F&B spots with what looks to be a quick service type and a bar and grill type which are much better for that location anyways.

A new Earls would make a killing there (or Cactus Club).

Coldrsx · #**3783** Posted **Nov 16, 2023, 6:50 PM**

It would be an ideal fit for sure.

Rocket252 · #**3784** Posted **Nov 16, 2023, 7:46 PM**

^ would be nice to put a Keg there as well

Coldrsx · #**3785** Posted **Nov 16, 2023, 9:41 PM**

Is Atlas still open in the Casino? That's their steakhouse and probably would not want to compete with it if so.

Hallsy's Toupee · #**3786** Posted **Nov 16, 2023, 10:03 PM**

Atlas has been permanently closed at the Grand Villa Casino since the pandemic, therefore a Keg, an Earls or a Saltlik would be most welcome in ICE District. Assuming, of course, that The Keg is sick of servicing the far-flung suburbs and Saltlik wants to expand beyond the Banff-Calgary corridor.

Edmontonguy · #**3787** Posted **Nov 16, 2023, 10:25 PM**

^Um, The Keg will serve the 'far-flung suburbs' so long as the business case makes sense for them to do so.

I've been reading this forum on/ off for 20 years with daydreaming again and again for a place like The Keg to open DT. Here's a reality check: The Keg will only open in the core, if they think they can make money in the core.

As it stands, I don't think they're 'sick' of serving the 'far-flung suburbs'. Money talks.

stefanYEG · #**3788** Posted **Nov 16, 2023, 10:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Nowhere near enough foot traffic for that to have opened initially really and then COVID killed it and then some.

There are plans to demise the space into two F&B spots with what looks to be a quick service type and a bar and grill type which are much better for that location anyways.

Well then, I'm happy the Rexall closed, that is way better use of that space.

JSS1974 · #**3789** Posted **Nov 17, 2023, 4:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Edmontonguy

^Um, The Keg will serve the 'far-flung suburbs' so long as the business case makes sense for them to do so.

I've been reading this forum on/ off for 20 years with daydreaming again and again for a place like The Keg to open DT. Here's a reality check: The Keg will only open in the core, if they think they can make money in the core.

As it stands, I don't think they're 'sick' of serving the 'far-flung suburbs'. Money talks.

Agreed. If Keg (or any similar resto) was a money maker, they would be in the ice district by now. And if Atlas closed their doors, and haven't reopened, then maybe it's not a money maker location.

Rocket252 · #**3790** Posted **Nov 17, 2023, 4:40 PM**

^ The Keg was planning to move into the Brewery District but no news on that going forward. Thats as close as I am aware of a Keg moving to the downtown area.

stefanYEG · #**3791** Posted **Nov 17, 2023, 7:55 PM**

Atlas' website still lists Ice District as a location but has a banner that says 'Temporarily Closed'. Maybe they're still planning on reopening? Seems strange to be temporarily closed for so long, but who knows. I think it was doing okay prior to COVID.

Rocket252 · #**3792** Posted **Nov 17, 2023, 10:03 PM**

^ a lot of places "temporarily closed" downtown

zahav · #**3793** Posted **Nov 18, 2023, 6:28 PM**

Edmonton is trying its best to add dynamic retail and urban spaces, Ice District was on a huge scale for a city like Edmonton. It's unfortunate to see vacancies high in newer developments like Stantec and Ice, I can understand the older downtown retail shrinking, but these are new and prime locations, they should be attracting a lot.

But I will tell you, most people who move from BC and Ontario to Edmonton go to the suburbs, they are sold on the big lots, cheap prices, and very much the antithesis of urbanism. They have several kids, good jobs, but wanted bigger and cheaper than the lower mainland or southern Ontario. They want the two cars, big driveways, basically the type of places you see on TV in Atlanta or Houston; very suburban, very car oriented, very kid oriented. Not focused on urbanism and urban people's priorities. I am not implying Edmonton doesn't have urbanism or local support for urbanism and density. I am merely saying most BC and ON interprovincial migrants are the "I want bigger" type, and not people who plan to ditch the car, get a condo, urban type. They would stay in Vancouver or Toronto or Montreal, even with the costs. Again, not to say those migrants don't exist, they certainly do, they are just much smaller in number than the growing family cashing out of a Toronto townhouse and buying a 5-bed single family somewhere around Edmonton.

CMD UW · #**3794** Posted **Nov 19, 2023, 11:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

Edmonton is trying its best to add dynamic retail and urban spaces, Ice District was on a huge scale for a city like Edmonton. It's unfortunate to see vacancies high in newer developments like Stantec and Ice, I can understand the older downtown retail shrinking, but these are new and prime locations, they should be attracting a lot.

But I will tell you, most people who move from BC and Ontario to Edmonton go to the suburbs, they are sold on the big lots, cheap prices, and very much the antithesis of urbanism. They have several kids, good jobs, but wanted bigger and cheaper than the lower mainland or southern Ontario. They want the two cars, big driveways, basically the type of places you see on TV in Atlanta or Houston; very suburban, very car oriented, very kid oriented. Not focused on urbanism and urban people's priorities. I am not implying Edmonton doesn't have urbanism or local support for urbanism and density. I am merely saying most BC and ON interprovincial migrants are the "I want bigger" type, and not people who plan to ditch the car, get a condo, urban type. They would stay in Vancouver or Toronto or Montreal, even with the costs. Again, not to say those migrants don't exist, they certainly do, they are just much smaller in number than the growing family cashing out of a Toronto townhouse and buying a 5-bed single family somewhere around Edmonton.

This trend you're talking about isn't all that new to Edmonton or most cities. At the end of the day it's a flight to affordability - whether its single detached, semi-detached, townhousing - any type of low-rise housing is the preferred form.

Coldrsx · #**3795** Posted **Dec 1, 2023, 8:41 PM**

Reference ID: Job No 492178322-002
Description: To Change the Use from a Professional, Financial and Office Support Service to a Childcare Service (60 Children) and Construct Exterior Alterations (Outdoor Playground)
Location: 9930 - 106 STREET NW
Plan NB Blk 6 Lot 81
Applicant: MJD DEVELOPMENTS
Status: Issued
Create Date: 2023-11-27T09:50:07Z
Neighbourhood: DOWNTOWN

Reference ID: Job No 492248005-002
Description: To Increase Public Space of a Restaurant from 153.2m2 to 365.3m2 by expanding into adjacent space previously used as a Professional, Financial and Office Support Service
Location: 10310 - 102 AVENUE NW
Plan 8622410 Blk 3 Lot A
Applicant: CK DESIGN LID
Status: No DP Required
Create Date: 2023-11-27T15:28:13Z
Neighbourhood: DOWNTOWN