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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 3:01 AM
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Pretty basic tourist trap entrance, wouldn't want all those mice clogging up the main lobbies in your building. Same concept over at One Times Square by constructing a jungle gym for those tourist buck$.



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Pretty basic tourist trap entrance, wouldn't want all those mice clogging up the main lobbies in your building. Same concept over at One Times Square by constructing a jungle gym for those tourist buck$.

"A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place.”
These devs will certainly take it from them with a grin.

Sorry, but this is an ignorant post. You should stop while you’re ahead. People spend money on tourists attractions and observation decks around the world. The observation deck at the Empire State is its largest driver of income. The observation deck at One Vanderbilt is sold out regularly. Obviously, people enjoy them. That you don’t is your business. How other people spend or make their money is theirs. You don’t like observation decks? Fine. Stay out of them. They obviously do well without you.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 4:39 AM
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Sorry, but this is an ignorant post. You should stop while you’re ahead. People spend money on tourists attractions and observation decks around the world. The observation deck at the Empire State is its largest driver of income. The observation deck at One Vanderbilt is sold out regularly. Obviously, people enjoy them. That you don’t is your business. How other people spend or make their money is theirs. You don’t like observation decks? Fine. Stay out of them. They obviously do well without you.
How popular is One World Observatory compared to the observation decks in Midtown, which are often packed with visitors. The Empire State Building is the most popular observation deck in New York City and one of the most popular observation decks in the world.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 10:42 AM
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yeah i wonder if we can pull together annual visitor numbers for all the observation attractions? i dk that it actually needs to be counted accurately, so it might be all that is available are sus developer hype numbers anyway.
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Pretty basic tourist trap entrance, wouldn't want all those mice clogging up the main lobbies in your building. Same concept over at One Times Square by constructing a jungle gym for those tourist buck$.

"A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place.”
These devs will certainly take it from them with a grin.
I think it looks awesome! I'm looking forward to experience the jungle gym in the air with those views and I'm sure a tremendous amount of tourists will also. If this wasn't in gaudy Times Square, then perhaps my feelings would change.

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^ I don’t see Vanderbilt as being much different really, and it’s on the more conservative east side. I suspect when this deck opens, it will be as popular as Vandy and the others, maybe even more. If you build it, they will come. I’m also interested in seeing how that drop plays out.
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^ I don’t see Vanderbilt as being much different really, and it’s on the more conservative east side. I suspect when this deck opens, it will be as popular as Vandy and the others, maybe even more. If you build it, they will come. I’m also interested in seeing how that drop plays out.
Do you know what is happening with the Tower Fifth and Affirmation Tower, which are also planned to have observation decks open to the public.
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Old Posted Sep 2, 2023, 8:04 PM
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^ Those towers both have threads.


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The observation deck lobby will be on the northern side, on the first floor with access to the deck on one of the lower levels. Pretty standard.








Does having an observation deck on top of a hotel like this require elevator shafts taking up space on every floor like an office, residential, or mixed use skyscraper would. Also, where is the entrance for the hotel lobby located.
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Man, I haven't live in NYC for 7 years so I pay a bit less attention to whats going on back in the city. What.. what is this and why does it have a ride.
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Man, I haven't live in NYC for 7 years so I pay a bit less attention to whats going on back in the city. What.. what is this and why does it have a ride.
This will have a ride so that it will stand out from the five observation decks currently in New York City, Those are at the Empire State Building, 30 Rockefeller Plaza (Top of the Rock), One World Trade Center, 30 Hudson Yards (Edge at Hudson Yards), and One Vanderbilt.
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This will have a ride so that it will stand out from the five observation decks currently in New York City, Those are at the Empire State Building, 30 Rockefeller Plaza (Top of the Rock), One World Trade Center, 30 Hudson Yards (Edge at Hudson Yards), and One Vanderbilt.
I think you are missing out on a few. Technically, every rooftop bar is an observation deck, no?
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every rooftop bar is an observation deck, no?

Not if your near 262

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https://patch.com/new-york/midtown-nyc/m...xtell-construction-noise-spelled-its-end

Midtown AA Clubhouse Forced Out By Construction Noise, Founder Says
For almost two decades, the 46th Street Clubhouse drew hundreds for meetings daily — until a 1,000-foot tower started construction work.






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Eddie Baca founded the 46th Street Clubhouse as a way to help New Yorkers get and stay sober. Its walls are covered with Alcoholics Anonymous and New York theater ephemera.

Amid the relics, he pointed to a sign emblazoned with a line from AA founder Bill W.'s "The Big Book."

"This one is my favorite," Baca, who is 37 years sober, said.

The sign reads: "the result was nil until we let go absolutely."

But thanks to the noise from a massive, 1,000-foot-tall tower capped by an amusement park-style ride at 740 Eighth Ave., Baca said he must let go absolutely of the place where he says thousands have started and maintained their journeys to sobriety.

The excavation noise from the site is "horrendous," Baca said, and totally prohibits the Clubhouse's intimate and vulnerable AA meetings essential to many sober journeys.

He even asked Extell, the owners of the site, if they could help find a solution for the Clubhouse to remain.

Extell, a megadeveloper known for kicking off the "Billionaire's Row" of skyscrapers in Midtown, did not respond to a request for comment regarding the 46th Street Clubhouse.

"You know, that's the thing that I find the most troubling is that: isn't this supposed to be a priority?" Baca said.

"Especially in Times Square, now that it's so dangerous, and there's so many mentally ill people, and there's so much crack, and there's so much meth being used right out on the street," he said, "shouldn't this be a need that should be protected?"
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The 46th Street Clubhouse has been on the third floor of 252 West 46th St. for 16 years. Prior to 2020, the Clubhouse was hosting over 70 meetings a week.

About 150 people came through the Clubhouse doors every day, Baca said, attending all sorts of addiction support meetings, dinners and other events centered around sobriety.

But like addiction, the Clubhouse was never a strictly formal arrangement with regular working hours — it was also known for being a welcoming refuge for people needing help.

Baca would regularly hear knocks on the door — even when the clubhouse was closed — from people just desperate to get off the streets, looking for someone to talk to.

"If I look through the peephole and I have a sense I can trust the person on the other side," he said,"I'll let them in and talk with them for hours."

After re-opening from the state-mandated pandemic closures in 2021, Baca knew people were eager for a place to meet in person again, though new rules about masking and vaccination cards made the clubhouse's own road to recovery specifically arduous.

"It's a difficult group to work with — the addicts and alcoholics," Baca said, "self-centered to the extreme, and then you tell them you gotta show your vaccination card and wear their masks — all that politics... that was a big problem."

"But what a luxury that'd be today," Baca said.
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About a year ago, the Clubhouse was starting to rise back from the depths of the pandemic.

"There was a period where we had reopened, before the construction had started, when our attendance was good," Baca said.

By September 2022, the Clubhouse recovery was graining steam, hosting about 50 meetings a week.

But suddenly, the excavation work at a major work site immediately next door — a massive 1,000-foot-tall tower capped with a controversial amusement park-style ride — made the Clubhouse's recovery nearly impossible.

"We were caught by surprise with the hotel," Baca told Patch.

"When they really went into full gear, that's when all of us realized what we're going to have to be living with," he said. "That noise is just unbelievable."

The disruptive noises from workers and machines pummeling through shale and granite bedrock, Baca said, made it totally impossible to facilitate the quiet setting and intimacy needed for the one-at-a-time vulnerable sharing that typifies an AA meeting.
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”It was like there was a jackhammer in here," he said. "The noise was unreal."

Word traveled fast that the Clubhouse was not a conducive place to meet, Baca said, and suddenly, the Clubhouse was closed once again.

But nearly 40 years of sobriety taught Baca to never give up. And for the Clubhouse, he never did.

When the 46th Street Clubhouse shuttered once again, he started to look into soundproofing the walls facing the construction site.

"Whatever prudent reserves we had in our bank account, we used it to soundproof the place," Baca said.

The drywall was taken down and replaced, and new, heavy-duty soundproof windows were installed.

"It makes the room comfortable, but it doesn't make it quiet," he said of the work, which cost around $40,000. "It's possible to have some kind of activity, but when it's just one person speaking and sharing," typical of standard 12-step AA meetings, "it doesn't work."

Eventually, Baca figured out the site's work schedule and was able to hold meetings on Wednesday afternoons and on Sundays when the construction was quieter— about 11 total per week.

That hasn't been enough to keep the Clubhouse afloat.

"We're self-supporting through our own contributions," Baca said. "Going from 70 meetings a week to 11 — there's just not any revenue. So we kept falling further and further behind."

The landlord has been understanding and patient, Baca says, but he's six months behind on rent and was told to move out by Oct. 31.

A farewell party a week earlier in the month was "packed," Baca said.

"People love this place," he said.

Still not one to give up, Baca says he's working with a pro bono legal team to try to figure out a solution with their loud neighbor.

So far, none has been found.

"In our program, we do believe in miracles," Baca said.






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I think you are missing out on a few. Technically, every rooftop bar is an observation deck, no?
There are also restaurants on the top floors of Chase Manhattan Plaza, the Marriott Marquis at Times Square, and 70 Pine Street. 30 Rockefeller Plaza and 30 Hudson Yards have restaurants near the top in addition to the observation decks seen there. One World Trade Center and One Vanderbilt have restaurants as part of their top level observation decks. The Empire State Building has a food cart on the 86th floor observation deck. Also, the Hyatt Times Square has a bar on the top floor that is technically not an observation deck.
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There are also restaurants on the top floors of Chase Manhattan Plaza, the Marriott Marquis at Times Square, and 70 Pine Street. 30 Rockefeller Plaza and 30 Hudson Yards have restaurants near the top in addition to the observation decks seen there. One World Trade Center and One Vanderbilt have restaurants as part of their top level observation decks. The Empire State Building has a food cart on the 86th floor observation deck. Also, the Hyatt Times Square has a bar on the top floor that is technically not an observation deck.
All interesting, but again, there is a thread for the general observation deck discussion.
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There are also restaurants on the top floors of Chase Manhattan Plaza, the Marriott Marquis at Times Square, and 70 Pine Street. 30 Rockefeller Plaza and 30 Hudson Yards have restaurants near the top in addition to the observation decks seen there. One World Trade Center and One Vanderbilt have restaurants as part of their top level observation decks. The Empire State Building has a food cart on the 86th floor observation deck. Also, the Hyatt Times Square has a bar on the top floor that is technically not an observation deck.
It sounds like you have as many as you could want or need then.
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It sounds like you have as many as you could want or need then.
Shows you why 740 8th Avenue will have an observation deck on top with it's own gimmicks like a drop tower ride.
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